To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?

[HermioneWeasley]

Despite the fact that Twitter loons insist that it is triggering for trans women and erasing trans men?

On behalf of the millions and millions of women and girls suffering due to periods, and lack of access to sanpro and toilets (a FAR bigger human rights issue than where people with gender dysphoria pee) , I will keep saying this is a women's issue.

Is this desire to experience a fake period a fetish? Does it go hand in hand with autogynephila? I just can't rationalise it any other way.

It feels like adult playing make believe.

Huh. I started my periods at 11 & judging by other women in my family, I'll be bleeding until my early 50s. So call that at least 40 years, 12 weeks out of every year, that's 480 weeks or 4 years of bleeding...

Any transwoman who loses 4 years' worth of blood in one go needs serious medical help.

Felascloak Tue 31-May-16 10:15:31
Tampons may be a hoax but some transgender women do want to simulate periods
I watched your video link. It was so sad, it made it seems like the sort of thing a little girl would do to pretend she was having periods.

I agree with Ineedmorelemonpledge Tue 31-May-16 12:01:57
In the video where are these horrors?:

Periods as often as every three weeks with just two weeks between.

Lumps and clots that make it look like bits of your insides are coming out

Blood overflowing the edges of the towel.

Blood arriving all over the place just when you've gone out and have trousers on.

The possible smell.

Forgetting a tampax by mistake and having it rot inside you before you realise and nearly die by infection or mortification.

Suicidal feelings every two or three weeks.

Mad spending sprees/massive activity of some kind between periods.

And, what of the joys of being wrongly getting diagnosed with bi-polar or depression perhaps and having some nice pharmaceuticals thrown at you, when all along it was hormones?.

Having to wreck your body with birth control pills/coils/other or risk pregnancy (because you have real ovaries, eggs, womb lining periods).

Being in purda in some societies.

Pain for a lot of women .. and all the things like swelling, painful breasts, headcahes lemon/ others mentioned.

THen the new phase of the menopause when it stops and all that goes with that.

I haven't read any of these Twitter attacks, but I'm hoping it's equally an issue that biological men stop playing pocket billiards whilst queuing for the office printer in case that's also a triggering reminder about the lack of a nut sack.

I'll get behind that fully.

What needs to be understood, in my humble opinion, is that you are the closest possible version of your personal understanding of what a woman or man is without ever actually knowing fully what that is. If you can accept that, I think you can accept that you are as close and as comfortable as science can make you to your idea of the opposite sex to your birth gender.

If you can accept that personal difference then you can live your life as best you can. If not its expressing a prejudice to others for simply living in their own biological state.

I'm a biological woman but I don't claim to represent all women in my feelings and capabilities. I only know mine.

www.theestablishment.co/2016/05/31/yes-trans-women-can-get-period-symptoms/

felas what a load of nonsense. Surely anyone reading that will think the author is delusional?

Also the plural of anecdote is not data

I'm sceptical about transwomen getting period symptoms. I could believe in psychosomatic symptoms though. It reminds me a bit of the sympathetic pregnancy thing where men claim to experience some of the symptoms their pregnant partner has.

(I'm completely ignorant on this point - but with HRT - does the dosage of hormones vary across the course of a month, or is it the same dosage every day?)

I'm thinking the forms going forward should have additional tick boxes for Uterus Bearer and Testes Adorner.

Is a Testes Adorned like vajazzling?

I'm a biological woman but I don't claim to represent all women in my feelings and capabilities. I only know mine.

Indeed. But I've spoken to enough other women to know that not every woman finds periods a beautiful experience. I'd rather medics focused on amenorrhoea and other gynaecological problems in women born with those gynaecological parts than worrying about those who were born with penises where it doesn't take a very great understanding of biology to realise why they aren't having periods. There are more than enough menstrual problems in the world that we have little enough understanding of, and so many women for whom periods are a real problem, whether because of the physical symptoms or social taboos or lack of sanitation. (Is sanitary hygiene a tautology? I changed it because I wasn't sure.)

As a 50 year old woman who had a merina coil fitted for bastard flooding (1 year) and after a complete blissful year of non bleeding have now started again I could grab any twat by the neck and wring it like a chicken who bleats about triggering!

Also poor teen dds both suffering and trying different pills.

It's a fucking nightmare.

Yes yes to EBear and KingDog

"Hopefully, one of these days, the medical community will dive into the matter and confirm what Ashley already knows—that periods aren’t just for vaginas anymore."

That article is certifiably bonkers. Menstruation in someone who lacks female reproductive organs? What?

Fucking ridiculous.

Yanbu

I'm quite prone to cystitis. Do any transwomen fancy eating ground up glass to replicate a truly beautiful feminine experience?

I've decided the word "triggering" has become completely pointless and should just be ignored.

All the issues related around periods for women all over the world. But the real issue is that people with penises might feel 'triggered' by discussion about those issues.

Fuck. Right. Off.

Or they could try the triple.

Cystitis, thrush and pregnant.

That's great fun and such a beautiful feminine experience.

Or perhaps post partum bleeding with cramps akin to contractions coupled with trying to breast feed with thrush on your nipples.

So beautiful.

Couldn't we take advantage of this? I mean, I don't call my periods a 'women's issue' myself but in the world at large it is seen as a 'women's issue' and that is why in our patriarchal societies people don't get the sanitary products and health support they need.

So we could piggy back the trans argument (which from reading the article is mainly trans men feeling body dysmorphia when they have a period) and say 'yes, this is a people issue' because women are people too and should not be othered.

I think the trans argument is interesting because what is actually happening is people experiencing sexism against women when they either feel like they have become men or for the first time when they become women. That is why they would like to create a unisex society, because they feel the direct contrast between male rights and women's rights. As the years go by I think the argument will change from blaming women for selfishly 'hogging' an issue to blaming the patriarchal society as a whole for othering anything that is partly/wholly female.

We could all join together and say we're all fed up with othering and that lots of us menstruate beard or not and that it's not something we should be ashamed about and that we should get equal opportunity to have medical assistance when needed and sanitary products.

I totally get the argument that a minority of trans people feel anger towards what they term 'cis' women but I don't think they realise that they are actually othering women themselves. It's misdirected anger and to some it looks like mysogny because as women we are fed up with being told what we should do or how we should act. As the theory develops they'll see that they are creating gender stereotypes themselves and that actually the vasts majority of women are supportive of transgenderism and are fed up with dealing with the arse end of othering ourselves. It's an evolution of the transgender experience I think.

Well, having had absolutely no idea or experience of PTSD or anything similar before, I watched Bear Grylls' Island recently and on that there was a woman who, whilst in the army, had lost a leg in Iraq (I think) several years ago. There was a dreadful tropical storm on the Island one night which sent her straight back to the war - you could see her fear - and that night and the day after she started experiencing agonising phantom pains in her amputated leg- as it is no longer there, there was nothing she or any of her fellow islanders could do about it so she had to leave the island. She was clearly gutted (as well as in agony).

To me, that would seem to be more representative of the real meaning of "triggering".

I can also see how hrt might reproduce some of the side effects of periods. What's wrong with transwomen talking about this? What I think she describes experiencing is the 'women issue' of not being listened to when they have pain. They just don't realise that's what is happening. They think it's happening because they are transgender, when what she explains about being verbally or even physically assaulted is the experience of millions of women around the world.

So I think rather than looking to blame women/transwomen/transmen we should look at patriarchal society and why anything other than born male should shut up and put up.

Incidentally, this is on there too:

www.theestablishment.co/2016/05/28/oppression-examined-menstruation-in-india/

"I can also see how hrt might reproduce some of the side effects of periods."

Really now. Which organ is bloating, cramping, and causing all the pain, in your opinion, in someone who has no ovaries, no uterus, and no vagina?

HRT by itself doesn't not cause any cyclical pain & bloating. Do you not know any women on HRT after hysterectomy?

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Have your DDs tried the progesterone only pill such as Cerelle? My nightmare periods disappeared forever once I started on that. (Libido's shot to shit mind you, but swings and roundabouts).

Absolutely absurd, women menstruate, I think trans women accept that it is something they will not be able to do. Stop being idiots!