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To stop talking to a friend over this bonkers situation?

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WombOfOnesOwn · 17/05/2016 17:11

This is a weird one, so bear with me, I'd rather lay it all out here than drip feed.

Last year, DH and I moved a long distance (we live in the US) and met up with a couple he'd known from his school days, since they were some of the only people we knew in the large general area where we moved to.

Shockingly (to me, at least, as I find it somewhat hard to find friends after graduating university), we got along very, very well -- excellent conversations, easy to talk to even though we didn't agree on everything. We had new friends, even though they lived a few hours away!

The couple in question had two DC's already, ages 5 and 4, very sweet young children. She wants to have many more children -- they are not religious, but they have a very out-there, self-sufficient, off-the-grid lifestyle: she trained as a midwife, though she's a SAHM now. They don't do a lot of traditional medicine stuff, and they make EVERYTHING themselves, from shoes to salt. A little strange, sure, but nothing that made me say anything more than "well, that's not how I would do it."

I suffered from infertility for a number of years, and I'm at that age where it seems like everyone around me is having babies, so when my new friend told me that she was pregnant again, I felt a mixture of envy and joy for her. She had suffered losses of her own: two stillbirths, both of girl children, and one of her sons was premature and had a traumatic birth and NICU stay.

She was hopeful and proud about her pregnancy, and two weeks later, a freaking miracle happened: I got a positive pregnancy test, too. We were going to have babies together, with due dates just 8 weeks apart! I couldn't have been more thrilled.

We met up a few times during pregnancy, though during the third trimester I was feeling way too out-of-sorts to make the three-hour drive.

This is probably time to mention: both my friend and I are fat women. It's relevant to the issue, trust me on this one.

You see, she was supposed to have her baby 8 weeks before me. I planned to go as doula support for her birth, but she went late, and I wasn't feeling as well as I had been.

Then, suddenly, it was my due date, and she still hadn't had her baby.

We were emailing a LOT during pregnancy, but I slowly started to realize as my due date drew nearer that it was likely she was experiencing pseudocyesis (false/"hysterical" pregnancy, though that term is messed up). She was doing an unassisted pregnancy and planned an unassisted birth, and was making excuses not to go in and see a doctor. She claimed she could hear a fetal heartbeat on fetoscope, but this is something many women with this condition can experience.

My baby is now nearly 12 weeks old. I haven't heard from my friend since he was 7 weeks old, when she was still sure she would give birth any day now (and had at that point claimed to be feeling labor symptoms for about 14 weeks). The last email she sent was about how her pregnancy and birth group had kicked her out, saying no one could be pregnant for that long and that she was either lying or delusional. She was incredibly angry about this and was looking for support.

I never emailed her back. I feel crushingly guilty about it, but I just...didn't know what to do. Her husband has been with her since they were both young teenagers and experienced the trauma of her stillbirths with her -- he is very deferent to her in all matters relating to birth and pregnancy, and won't force her to the hospital.

I feel actually kind of scared to write back, and especially scared about the potential of meeting up with them any time before this issue is 100% resolved and she is mentally well again. My concern is one that feels crazy to me, but also that I know is a thing that really happens: women with pseudocyesis, caught in a shame and mental illness spiral, and with family and friends all wondering where that baby is, can sometimes go crazy enough to kill a woman who is pregnant or has a new baby, then steal the baby (pregnant women are killed this way every year, at least in the US -- the woman with pseudocyesis usually cuts the baby out of the pregnant woman, as horrifying as that is).

I know it's likely that I'm being overprotective and that my friend is not likely to be a killer (I can barely even believe I'm saying she could be one!). But it wasn't likely that when she announced her pregnancy, she'd still be claiming to be pregnant a year later. I want to help her get well, but I want to protect myself and my infant son, too.

Now that I've written you a book, any advice? I'm at such a loss.

OP posts:
Simpsonsaddict · 18/05/2016 19:44

I feel incredibly sorry for your friend, she's been through so much and whether she knows it or not - she's struggling. I hope she's ok. It's hard to be so worried about someone else when you've got a little one, and you're not being unreasonable to consider your own safety (and your own little one, congratulations!). You're being amazing to try to find a way to help her, when it's such a horrible, difficult situation.

Moomichi · 18/05/2016 19:59

This sounds truly awful. I hope you find something that you are comfortable with x

YorkieDorkie · 18/05/2016 20:12

Wow that's been one hell of a post. I must have read it 5 times to get it to sink in! I can completely understand your concern for yours and baby's welfare and as PP have said, you're in no position to get involved with someone who clearly needs some serious professional help. The husband really does need to step up and get this sorted out before she hurts herself or, God forbid, someone else.

JustineBeaver · 18/05/2016 21:52

A rare situation, no doubt, but a current one nonetheless....
www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/woman-who-murdered-new-mom-to-steal-her-newborn-sentenced-to-life-w206971

summerainbow · 18/05/2016 22:05

Does anyone remember this story
abcnews.go.com/Health/rare-40-year-stone-baby-found-elderly-woman/story?id=21206604
As she was having a off the grid Pregnancy it could have happened

springydaffs · 18/05/2016 22:25

Alright folks. Op has just had a baby and is aware of these awful stories, lets not freak her out.

OTheHugeManatee · 18/05/2016 22:29

OP, can you say a bit more about what leads you to think from her emails that she's not well?

I agree it sounds a very difficult situation.

kawliga · 18/05/2016 22:31

mawbroon glad to hear your husband saw you needed help and got it. That's what a partner is for. Hopefully OP's friend's husband will step up and get help for his wife.

MiddleClassProblem · 18/05/2016 22:31

I think the fact that she's pregnant 4 months overdue or something and upset she could stay in a pregnancy group might be the major clues...

fatandold · 19/05/2016 00:32

I agree with the "be a good friend" camp here. Pick the phone up. Call her and ask how she is doing. She may open up. You may be able to offer support and a good listening ear. At least she will know she has a friend she can count on, no matter what.

WombOfOnesOwn · 19/05/2016 06:37

She said a couple emails before I ghosted that she'd been to her "spirit healer" and that the spirit healer told her she'd give bith soon, and basically has said she's felt like she is in labor since around the middle of February. Since I know she has gone, in spite of her beliefs, to the hospital when a baby was at risk (her preemie who stayed in the NICU), I find it hard to believe she wouldn't go in to make sure nothing was wrong at any point unless she kind of knew on some level that this wasn't happening the way she thought it was.

She claims to have been able to hear a heartbeat the whole time and that it's been "completely steady" all through pregnancy. I wonder if she's hearing her own heart and an echoing beat, or if she's in a state of psychosis (my ex-husband had a psychotic episode and could hear/see things that weren't there as long as they went along with his crazy theories).

She knows a LOT about pregnancy and birth. She knows enough to know this isn't normal or okay. I truly believe if it was something physical and real like a "stone baby" with no mental component at all, she'd have noticed, oh, no heartbeat, and she'd have gone to the hospital long ago. She has all the equipment at home she needs to ascertain there is no baby.

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PenguindreamsofDraco · 19/05/2016 08:06

If she's that far off the grid does she even have health insurance to cover whatever treatment she (clearly) needs? Might that be a factor in why her husband is not rushing her to the doctor?

MiddleClassProblem · 19/05/2016 08:53

Have you emailed her back OP?

OTheHugeManatee · 19/05/2016 08:55

Crikey.

OK this is a slightly different angle to 'she is mentally ill' (though from what you've said this is distinctly possible) but could you get anywhere by treating her 'pregnancy' as metaphorical? I've met a fair few live-off-grid-and-talk-to-spirit-healer type Amerucans in my time and it can be hard to tell sometimes whether they are talking literally or metaphorically about things.

If you treat her 'pregnancy' and four-month 'labour' as a (admittedly bizarre) way of saying she feels like something big is brewing in her life, you can shift the conversation away from the bonkers idea that there is a literal baby expected at the end of this process and toward the idea that some sort of major change or addition to her life is anticipated.

It goes without saying that this kind of thinking is still quite disturbed but this is maybe a gentler way of addressing the obvious discrepancy between what she is saying and what the physical symptoms say.

AgathaF · 19/05/2016 09:39

There could be any number of scenarios going on with her, no-one is going to know until she gets help from somewhere.

I think a friendly email to her can't do any harm and might set your mind at rest. She surely can't still believe she is pregnant, and if she does then it really might be time to step in and speak to her husband about her mental health, both for her sake and the sake of her DC.

rainbowstardrops · 19/05/2016 16:15

How terribly sad. Sad

Bee182814 · 19/05/2016 17:20

This is probably the strangest thing I've ever read on here. I agree that your DH should speak with her DH. I'm a bit too baffled to say anything more really Confused

Katedotness1963 · 19/05/2016 17:48

How very odd! I've heard almost the exact same story a few years ago on another mums site, not sure if I can name it here. The family living off grid, no prenatal care, extra long pregnancy, mother insisting everything was fine. I never found out the conclusion in the other story though.

teablanket · 19/05/2016 17:51

Katedotness -- did it start with M and end with ING ? This is ringing bells for me, too.

Katedotness1963 · 19/05/2016 18:04

teablanket, yes, that's the very one!

Thefitfatty · 19/05/2016 21:20

Ah. Not just me then.

WineOrSleep · 19/05/2016 22:58

Can't work out who is spinning tales; op's friend or op Confused

WombOfOnesOwn · 19/05/2016 23:27

DH and I have talked. He's going to write a note to her DH this weekend, wants help wording it (which I've agreed to). I feel terribly nervous, like I'm going to get bawled out. In the best case scenario, maybe we'll get a newborn photo and a "we had the baby but have been too busy to send a note"? I doubt it, but...trying to cling to a little hope here.

OP posts:
Cagliostro · 20/05/2016 00:18

If there is a newborn photo, it may not even be their baby. It's not unheard of for people to find pictures online to use

SnuffleGruntSnorter · 25/05/2016 23:02

Any update, op?

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