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To stop talking to a friend over this bonkers situation?

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WombOfOnesOwn · 17/05/2016 17:11

This is a weird one, so bear with me, I'd rather lay it all out here than drip feed.

Last year, DH and I moved a long distance (we live in the US) and met up with a couple he'd known from his school days, since they were some of the only people we knew in the large general area where we moved to.

Shockingly (to me, at least, as I find it somewhat hard to find friends after graduating university), we got along very, very well -- excellent conversations, easy to talk to even though we didn't agree on everything. We had new friends, even though they lived a few hours away!

The couple in question had two DC's already, ages 5 and 4, very sweet young children. She wants to have many more children -- they are not religious, but they have a very out-there, self-sufficient, off-the-grid lifestyle: she trained as a midwife, though she's a SAHM now. They don't do a lot of traditional medicine stuff, and they make EVERYTHING themselves, from shoes to salt. A little strange, sure, but nothing that made me say anything more than "well, that's not how I would do it."

I suffered from infertility for a number of years, and I'm at that age where it seems like everyone around me is having babies, so when my new friend told me that she was pregnant again, I felt a mixture of envy and joy for her. She had suffered losses of her own: two stillbirths, both of girl children, and one of her sons was premature and had a traumatic birth and NICU stay.

She was hopeful and proud about her pregnancy, and two weeks later, a freaking miracle happened: I got a positive pregnancy test, too. We were going to have babies together, with due dates just 8 weeks apart! I couldn't have been more thrilled.

We met up a few times during pregnancy, though during the third trimester I was feeling way too out-of-sorts to make the three-hour drive.

This is probably time to mention: both my friend and I are fat women. It's relevant to the issue, trust me on this one.

You see, she was supposed to have her baby 8 weeks before me. I planned to go as doula support for her birth, but she went late, and I wasn't feeling as well as I had been.

Then, suddenly, it was my due date, and she still hadn't had her baby.

We were emailing a LOT during pregnancy, but I slowly started to realize as my due date drew nearer that it was likely she was experiencing pseudocyesis (false/"hysterical" pregnancy, though that term is messed up). She was doing an unassisted pregnancy and planned an unassisted birth, and was making excuses not to go in and see a doctor. She claimed she could hear a fetal heartbeat on fetoscope, but this is something many women with this condition can experience.

My baby is now nearly 12 weeks old. I haven't heard from my friend since he was 7 weeks old, when she was still sure she would give birth any day now (and had at that point claimed to be feeling labor symptoms for about 14 weeks). The last email she sent was about how her pregnancy and birth group had kicked her out, saying no one could be pregnant for that long and that she was either lying or delusional. She was incredibly angry about this and was looking for support.

I never emailed her back. I feel crushingly guilty about it, but I just...didn't know what to do. Her husband has been with her since they were both young teenagers and experienced the trauma of her stillbirths with her -- he is very deferent to her in all matters relating to birth and pregnancy, and won't force her to the hospital.

I feel actually kind of scared to write back, and especially scared about the potential of meeting up with them any time before this issue is 100% resolved and she is mentally well again. My concern is one that feels crazy to me, but also that I know is a thing that really happens: women with pseudocyesis, caught in a shame and mental illness spiral, and with family and friends all wondering where that baby is, can sometimes go crazy enough to kill a woman who is pregnant or has a new baby, then steal the baby (pregnant women are killed this way every year, at least in the US -- the woman with pseudocyesis usually cuts the baby out of the pregnant woman, as horrifying as that is).

I know it's likely that I'm being overprotective and that my friend is not likely to be a killer (I can barely even believe I'm saying she could be one!). But it wasn't likely that when she announced her pregnancy, she'd still be claiming to be pregnant a year later. I want to help her get well, but I want to protect myself and my infant son, too.

Now that I've written you a book, any advice? I'm at such a loss.

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Handsoffmysweets · 17/05/2016 18:48

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bumbleymummy · 17/05/2016 18:52

I was going to suggest the miscarriage, followed by another pregnancy theory. What a strange situation Confused

BillSykesDog · 17/05/2016 18:54

Her husband must know something is wrong by now, and potentially not be dealing with it either.

My primary concern in this situation would be for the welfare of the existing children. It sounds like they are in the care of someone who is not actually in the right health to be caring for children. My first point of call would be child/social services.

ScreenshottingIsNotJournalism · 17/05/2016 18:55

It's one of those situations that can only get catestrophically worse before it gets better.. which might be why the husband hasn't "stepped up" - the fall out will be a terrifying prospect, right now they are going about their day (al beit with this aweful aspect to it).. but once he forces her to face up to it that'll all come crashing down, there'll be confused and upset children to answer to, the wife will probably go through many aweful stages of anger and hurt before she begins to have insight and heal, and she may go away to be helped for a while….

.. I can see why he might need the support of a friend before he instigates all that even if he knows he has to!

Buggers · 17/05/2016 18:56

Did you friend ever mention scans or tests at all? I would 100% email her and just ask how she's getting on.. does she have a Facebook? Just wondered if she said she was pregnant on there as surely a few people would have questioned it by now if she had.. very sad situationSad

ScreenshottingIsNotJournalism · 17/05/2016 18:57

My first point of call would be child/social services

I would need more local info first, I have a (perhaps distorted) idea that US SS are disproportionately unsympathetic towards those who life off grid??

ScreenshottingIsNotJournalism · 17/05/2016 18:57

Buggers the friend is a freebirther, she wouldn't be having any medical care from what the OP has said

WriteforFun1 · 17/05/2016 18:59

I might be misunderstanding...are you likely to bump into her? If not I would leave it alone. I think she needs help and tbh I'm wndering what you would say if you resume talking and she continues pretending. You can't go along with it but you can't confront her. So I would leave it alone.

Buggers · 17/05/2016 19:01

Ah I didn't think so, wasn't sure if it included scans as well as I don't know much about that. op please email her and check in how she's doing, you don't have to meet up but she will need a friend to talk to when she starts feeling better.

steff13 · 17/05/2016 19:05

I would need more local info first, I have a (perhaps distorted) idea that US SS are disproportionately unsympathetic towards those who life off grid??

I'd say this probably varies from place to place. In my county in Ohio, there are a lot of large cities, so living off the grid could potentially be seen as more suspicious. However, on the other side of Ohio, in the Appalachian counties, it may be seen as more typical and therefore less suspicious. Each county's SS agencies do things their own way, and it is probably that way in all 50 states. There are 88 counties in Ohio, with 88 individual SS offices.

FuzzyOwl · 17/05/2016 19:06

What an awful situation for you.

nobility, I think you have made your point about the husbands talking to each other.

WipsGlitter · 17/05/2016 19:07

I think you should contact her - keep it breezy a d see what response you get. If her DP and yours are good friends then he should contact him too, but keeping both channels of communication open.

MantaRayBay · 17/05/2016 19:12

I agree with what WipsGlitter said.

happygoluckylady · 17/05/2016 19:18

I might be misunderstanding...are you likely to bump into her? If not I would leave it alone. I think she needs help and tbh I'm wndering what you would say if you resume talking and she continues pretending. You can't go along with it but you can't confront her. So I would leave it alone.

This. x 100. Focus on yourself and your new baby.

BabyGanoush · 17/05/2016 19:18

I would keep in touch, saying "I am a bit worried about you, are you ok? What's happening right now?"

I have a friend who went through psychosis, and was "bonkers" (in her own words) for half a year.

I am so glad I stayed in touch with her, yes mental illness is really scary, but they may need all the friends they have...

In my friend's case the husband went along with the weird behaviour for ages, as it crept up on him in a way, and "crazy" people can be very convincing that they are the "normal" ones.

She may have some kind of psychosis and would need psychiatric help. It might help him and her to see that you don't think it is normal.

SpinDoctor · 17/05/2016 19:22

I don't think I have anything to add. It happened to a friend of mine during a bipolar episode. She's never really gotten over the loss of a child that existed for her but never really existed at all. And the shame of it of course having told people she was pregnant in the first place when she wasn't, but also wasn't intentionally lying either.

Your friend needs help I would actually involve her DH he may not know she's been saying this and if he does may need help himself.

kawliga · 17/05/2016 19:30

On the kidnap/murder angle, may I just say OP it's ok for you to decide that this is beyond you and you can't help her. I think she needs professional help but it is not your duty to arrange that for her. Luckily she has a husband who loves her. He should pull his finger out and do what he can to help her.

You don't have to help her! There. You have my permission as an anonymous internet person to just drop her, focus on your baby and your husband and your life. Sometimes, it's ok to be selfish. Yes it is.

Saying that you will not contact her because she might murder you and kidnap your baby looks to me like you're trying to find a good enough reason to just drop her. You don't need a reason. I think it's fine that you didn't reply to her last email, ok? Don't feel guilty. You haven't done anything wrong. She made some life choices (going off grid) that are going to be challenging, I do think she must take some responsibility for that.

I would love to go off grid, by the way, but it is a challenging way to live and I know I wouldn't cope. I would have loved to have an unassisted birth (I even bought the book, still treasure it) but I ended up with an emergency c-section. Life's like that. Your friend needs to own her choices.

WombOfOnesOwn · 17/05/2016 19:33

I also ended up with an emcs after a planned unassisted birth! Life's like that. Thank you for all the responses, it's been VERY helpful. I am definitely glad to have the replies that I am probably being really overconcerned about the worst-case scenario.

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Thefitfatty · 17/05/2016 19:36

Given its been 4 weeks since you heard from here, and you only saw her 3 times through the whole possible pregnancy, I'd probably let it go. What do you hope to achieve? If you are really concerned maybe contact her supposed pre natal classes and see what the leader has to say?

kawliga · 17/05/2016 19:37

You are not overconcerned about the worst-case scenario. It could happen. When you have a baby, there's no such thing as being 'overconcerned' about putting her in danger. Yes, it is very unlikely, but not impossible. You must listen to your gut instinct. I just think your instinct is trying to warn you to stay away from her. Just saying, you can stay away, full stop, you don't need a justification.

Littlelondoner · 17/05/2016 19:40

I vote dont mention it but check in. 4 weeks have passed maybe shes realising whats happening with herself mentally but is to embaressed upset or whatever to make the first move.

Familyof3or4 · 17/05/2016 19:41

Hopefully you are being over-concerned about an extreme wurst case scenario, but even if this isn't the case she needs urgent psychological help. If you haven't spoken to her husband about doing this do I t now.

kawliga · 17/05/2016 19:55

You don't have to check in. You don't have to email her or call her. You don't have to advise her husband on how to look after his wife's wellbeing. You don't have to look after them. They chose to live off grid and do without doctors (I get it, I hate doctors and hospitals but that is the choice they made and it was always going to be a risky choice).

Now, will you feel guilty for dropping your friend? Maybe. My sister felt unable to help her friend in very similar circs to yours and I think she feels guilty to this day. And that's ok too. We all want to think that we are good people who help friends when they need our help. But not at the risk of our own safety and certainly not when you have a baby of your own to think about.

Unless you are someone who goes around constantly in fear of being murdered (I would guess not) then your fear is just a way for your spidey sense to nudge you to move in a different direction.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 17/05/2016 19:56

I agree that your DP should drop her husband a line, saying you were concerned and is everything ok.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 17/05/2016 19:57

I agree that you and your baby should stay away from visiting her, for now.

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