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Is ex he using emotional blackmail? He won't have son's dog when he stays over

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LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 11:34

Hi All - I need please some independent opinions to help me reach a decision (I’ve never posted in a forum before).

My ex-husband has barely seen our son in 4 years; his choice. We had a horrid drawn out divorce and as part of the outcome I was granted full residency and a prohibited steps order (in Feb 2013) that he couldn't take DS from school or home unless agreed in writing. In December our DS said he wanted to see his dad, so I decided to give his dad another chance (for the umpteenth time). I knew it would open up a can of worms (as it has done) but did it for DS (now 13).

I wanted them seeing each other slowly so they could rebuild a relationship and so I could see consistency (on the rare occasions in the past that my ex had taken an interest he let DS down). My ex has a partner now, who seems nice enough. However it seems his interest in DS coincides with when he has a woman in his life. I have felt that it’s more about him being ‘seen’ to do the right thing? Anyone else had this problem? Anyway, I get distracted….

Our DS has been seeing his dad now on a Sat from 10.30am – 9pm. Jan & Feb he had him most Saturdays and also in March, but then the games started. Ex was pushing to see him every Saturday and for overnights. I wanted some time with DS so wouldn’t agree to every Saturday & my ex lives in a shared accommodation set up where our son wouldn’t have his own room (+ I had other concerns). I asked ex for reassurances which he wouldn’t give me.

E.g. of ‘games’ – 25 March he was trying to coax DS into staying over on the Sat through until Easter Monday (but we had a friend’s baptism on the Sunday). I was proud of DS because he said over & over, “only if it’s OK with mum”. On the Sat DS was concerned his dad wouldn’t bring him home and didn’t want to be put in that position, so although he wanted to go, he decided not to (he saw him on Easter Monday instead). I had emailed my ex asking him not to disregard my position on overnights and also stated for him not to keep DS for overnight without mutual written agreement or I’d have no choice but to involve the police to implement the prohibitive steps order. He threatened court (although with the order in place I don’t think he’d get anywhere) and on the Wed after, said to me with no provocation (when his girlfriend called me!!) “I don’t want to talk to you…I’m disgusted with you” and hung up! Since then I decided to communicate via email only!

As the arrangement to that point had been casual and was starting to ‘run away’ I suggested 2 Saturdays a month. DS wanted to see him more so I conceded to 3 Sats in a 5 weekend month and 2 in a 4 weekend month. So April he saw him 9th, 16th & 23rd (+Sunday 17th as it was a family christening so I am flexible & fair despite my ex’s words and actions and try to rise above the aggravation for DS’s sake).

7 May ex announces that he’s moving for DS so he can have his own room; great news. But before that they were considering moving to a canal boat lol! Ex says it’s for DS but it’s also so his partner is closer to her work (fair enough).

Finally… (sorry folks) to the dog; Skye. DS & I got her nearly a year ago from the RSPCA after sadly losing our family dog a year last Christmas. I didn’t rush to get another dog because it was nice after 15 years not to have the limitations that having a dog in the family brings with it in terms of going away, staying with friends, etc. (or the poop scooping!) DS had been asking for a while and as a ‘soft’ mum (stupidly with hindsight) I gave in. But only after me telling him she was his dog for him to look after (which at age 13 I felt was reasonable and to help teach him responsibility) and him agreeing. Since he’s been seeing his dad I haven’t insisted on Skye going with him because of it being shared living (in an old convent) and it only being for the day. I had always said to DS though that IF in the future he did stay with his dad, that he would need to take the dog.

I put forward to my ex yesterday that our DS could stay 1 out of the 2 Sats in a 4 w/e month (Fri to Sun) and 2 out of the 3 in a 5 w/e month (again Fri to Sun) but that Skye would need to come with him. I also said that I don’t need any more hassle from him as it's causing and will continue to cause undue stress & I don't want any more back and forth emails as they’re not proving progressive just us getting under one another’s skin (again!).

There’s more besides this post, but the crux of this message is re: the dog and trying to convey how I feel that it seems to always be me ‘giving’ and letting go of remarks and behaviour on ex’s part for DS’s sake and for progress for them. I said to my ex that because I feel he’s working against me not with me that the offer was a take it or leave it so as not to get embroiled any further.

His response: “The dog is not mine and I will and can not have it. And if you are adamant about this I can not have DS overnight (but I guess you already know that)”

I have said a few times that the dog is DS’s, not mine. I have compromised and said on the day visits I’ll continue to have her. But the bottom line is I feel as though it’s always me compromising and that (as my ex has done before) that his response is emotional blackmail and that both he and my son will therefore ‘ blame’ me for them not having overnight stays. I don’t know if where their proposing to rent doesn’t allow pets, but if this is the case I feel he should’ve thought about the bigger picture of DS staying and had he have done so DS could’ve told him I’d said back in January that Skye would need to go with him.

I love my son, but whether it’s viewed as selfish by some I feel why shouldn’t I get some freedom out of this? I looked after our previous dog (3½ years until she died) when my ex showed no interest, what if I want to take advantage of our DS staying with his dad and go away myself, stay with friends further afield, it’s a lot more difficult with Skye in tow and if I say I’ll have her some weekends that will mean further email correspondence which I so don’t want to have to do unless absolutely necessary and only to do with DS (+ once I give a bit, ex always expects me to give more). HELP, I’m tired of being a pushover!! (Sorry for the very long post….thank you if you’ve read to the end x)

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OneMagnumisneverenough · 16/05/2016 14:34

One of the reasons I had to get the prohibitive steps was because on at least 2 occasions early on in our split my ex refused to bring our DS home - and some people have commented that I'm emotionally manipulative! It was horrendous!!

I can appreciate that but DS is getting older and there just isn't the same risk. There isn't much you can make a teenager do that they don't want to. I'd just make sure he has money and a taxi number and knows how to get home himself if his Dad refuses to drive him.

I can't make my 14 year old get a haircut never mind stay somewhere he doesn't want to be :o - and he is a good lad.

MidniteScribbler · 16/05/2016 14:39

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LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 14:41

Thank you Mooey89 & OneMagnumisneverenough - good idea about the taxi & £ - thanx

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AndTakeYourPenguinWithYou · 16/05/2016 14:42

FFS, Midnite, calm the fuck down Hmm

PaulAnkaTheDog · 16/05/2016 14:42

No need Midnite. Your post is fucking uncalled for and nasty.

Mooey89 · 16/05/2016 14:42

midnite
That was unnecessary.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 16/05/2016 14:50

As hard as it seems, you need to start seeing this as a good thing for yourself as well as your DS. He will soon be able to see, judge and act upon the way his dad treats him (hopefully well) and that doesn't need to affect his relationship with you.

You will be able to share the responsibility of raising a teenager as they aren't always reasonable and it will be good sometimes that he has somewhere else to be.

And also you can have some time to yourself, dog or no dog.

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Mooey89 · 16/05/2016 14:52

Is is unnecessary to say are you really that stupid

Are you really that fucking rude?

LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 14:52

Thank you AndTakeYourPenguinWithYou, PaulAnkaTheDog & Mooey89 x

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Sparkletastic · 16/05/2016 14:52

I've reported MidniteScribbler

OneMagnumisneverenough · 16/05/2016 14:53

You have spent time and energy raising your son more or less alone over the last 4 years, deep down the basis for him being a reasonable human being have been stored, you ex wont be able to undo that easily. (though I am sure you may have a few ups and downs over the next few years.)

PaulAnkaTheDog · 16/05/2016 14:54

Oh there certainly is an idiot here. Not who you think it is though.

Thornrose · 16/05/2016 14:55

Midnite the way you worded that post was totally unnecessary. You're out of order.

Veterinari · 16/05/2016 14:58

As PP have said - its unreasonable to expect your ex to take on a dog he has had no involvement in.

I'd also be a bit concerned about the dog going forwards. You clearly seem to consider her your son's responsibility, but legally she's yours - it is your name on the RSPCA paperwork and legally you are the owner.

What happens when your son goes to uni or moves away? will you expect him to take the dog with him? or just ditch her if he can't? It's unreasonable to expect a 13 year old to take on lifelong care of a dog - he's only 13 himself, he has no real concept of what he'll be doing in the next 10-15 years

m0therofdragons · 16/05/2016 15:04

From the flip side, if I had an ex and he did that to me I'd be tempted to buy a python and insist it went with ds.

Your ex sounds like an arse but you must know yabu?

hollie11 · 16/05/2016 15:06

What if I want to take advantage of our DS staying with his dad and go away myself, stay with friends further afield, it’s a lot more difficult with Skye in tow - You understood the responsibility of having a dog and shouldn't have got another one if you feel this way. It's your dog, your responsibility. No way should you expect your ex to look after your dog for you......nor should you use it as a reason for your son not to stay over......it'll only cause difficulties between you and your son if you do

LettingAgentNightmare · 16/05/2016 15:17

There is no way I would agree to have a dog on my house that I didn't want.

I think it's crazy you even suggested it. It seems you are just trying to push him. He's moving so he can have his child over night and you suddenly throw this dog in there to make it harder.

dowhatnow · 16/05/2016 15:29

TBH i think that you need to back away now and talk to Ds about not being pressurised by either his Dad or you. I do feel that you are dictating the terms a lot - for understandable reasons, but at 13 he is old enough to make decisions for himself regarding how long he spends with his Dad. Tell him you love him and will 100% back whatever he decides is the right amount of time and that he shouldn't worry about upsetting either of you. I think he's being torn both ways here. You are pressurising him as much as his Dad.

LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 15:43

Thank you dowhatnow - I agree about me backing away. The last month has been pretty intense and stressful and despite me not wanting DS to be torn in the middle I too feel he's feeling like that, and ultimately all I really want is for him to be happy x

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WellErrr · 16/05/2016 15:44

From the flip side, if I had an ex and he did that to me I'd be tempted to buy a python and insist it went with ds

GrinGrinGrinGrin

dowhatnow · 16/05/2016 15:51

Bless him. It can't be much fun being in the middle. Can he see him for less time but more often perhaps? So it's not such a big deal. Sort of popping round for a few hours as and when. So not contact as such but more keeping in touch?

Let Ds do all the communicating but encourage him to be brave enough so that he only agrees to what he is comfortable with. Agree that you will step in to support him if he feels that he is being pressurised too much. Reiterate that you are happy for him to see him as much as, or as little as, he wants.

limon · 16/05/2016 15:52

Yabu .

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Janecc · 16/05/2016 16:55

I understand that you want to protect your son and I get why at 13 he is saying he needs to check with his mother. i suspect he knows his father is flaky and unreliable and I think it shows good strong character. Perhaps had he been older and more self assured, he may possibly have said no but not wanted to being only 13 and all. His trust with his father also needs to be built and if his father is an arse, this is difficult. As his mother, I imagine it is extremely difficult to stay neutral with this game playing and unfortunately that is what you need to continue to do. And I am glad you understand that the dog should remain with you. Bringing it up as a prerequisite really was buying into your exes nasty little game. Offering yourself up as his opponent will bring you no joy as he will be a lot better at playing the game than you because it is his game and he can change the rules whenever he wishes.