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Is ex he using emotional blackmail? He won't have son's dog when he stays over

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LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 11:34

Hi All - I need please some independent opinions to help me reach a decision (I’ve never posted in a forum before).

My ex-husband has barely seen our son in 4 years; his choice. We had a horrid drawn out divorce and as part of the outcome I was granted full residency and a prohibited steps order (in Feb 2013) that he couldn't take DS from school or home unless agreed in writing. In December our DS said he wanted to see his dad, so I decided to give his dad another chance (for the umpteenth time). I knew it would open up a can of worms (as it has done) but did it for DS (now 13).

I wanted them seeing each other slowly so they could rebuild a relationship and so I could see consistency (on the rare occasions in the past that my ex had taken an interest he let DS down). My ex has a partner now, who seems nice enough. However it seems his interest in DS coincides with when he has a woman in his life. I have felt that it’s more about him being ‘seen’ to do the right thing? Anyone else had this problem? Anyway, I get distracted….

Our DS has been seeing his dad now on a Sat from 10.30am – 9pm. Jan & Feb he had him most Saturdays and also in March, but then the games started. Ex was pushing to see him every Saturday and for overnights. I wanted some time with DS so wouldn’t agree to every Saturday & my ex lives in a shared accommodation set up where our son wouldn’t have his own room (+ I had other concerns). I asked ex for reassurances which he wouldn’t give me.

E.g. of ‘games’ – 25 March he was trying to coax DS into staying over on the Sat through until Easter Monday (but we had a friend’s baptism on the Sunday). I was proud of DS because he said over & over, “only if it’s OK with mum”. On the Sat DS was concerned his dad wouldn’t bring him home and didn’t want to be put in that position, so although he wanted to go, he decided not to (he saw him on Easter Monday instead). I had emailed my ex asking him not to disregard my position on overnights and also stated for him not to keep DS for overnight without mutual written agreement or I’d have no choice but to involve the police to implement the prohibitive steps order. He threatened court (although with the order in place I don’t think he’d get anywhere) and on the Wed after, said to me with no provocation (when his girlfriend called me!!) “I don’t want to talk to you…I’m disgusted with you” and hung up! Since then I decided to communicate via email only!

As the arrangement to that point had been casual and was starting to ‘run away’ I suggested 2 Saturdays a month. DS wanted to see him more so I conceded to 3 Sats in a 5 weekend month and 2 in a 4 weekend month. So April he saw him 9th, 16th & 23rd (+Sunday 17th as it was a family christening so I am flexible & fair despite my ex’s words and actions and try to rise above the aggravation for DS’s sake).

7 May ex announces that he’s moving for DS so he can have his own room; great news. But before that they were considering moving to a canal boat lol! Ex says it’s for DS but it’s also so his partner is closer to her work (fair enough).

Finally… (sorry folks) to the dog; Skye. DS & I got her nearly a year ago from the RSPCA after sadly losing our family dog a year last Christmas. I didn’t rush to get another dog because it was nice after 15 years not to have the limitations that having a dog in the family brings with it in terms of going away, staying with friends, etc. (or the poop scooping!) DS had been asking for a while and as a ‘soft’ mum (stupidly with hindsight) I gave in. But only after me telling him she was his dog for him to look after (which at age 13 I felt was reasonable and to help teach him responsibility) and him agreeing. Since he’s been seeing his dad I haven’t insisted on Skye going with him because of it being shared living (in an old convent) and it only being for the day. I had always said to DS though that IF in the future he did stay with his dad, that he would need to take the dog.

I put forward to my ex yesterday that our DS could stay 1 out of the 2 Sats in a 4 w/e month (Fri to Sun) and 2 out of the 3 in a 5 w/e month (again Fri to Sun) but that Skye would need to come with him. I also said that I don’t need any more hassle from him as it's causing and will continue to cause undue stress & I don't want any more back and forth emails as they’re not proving progressive just us getting under one another’s skin (again!).

There’s more besides this post, but the crux of this message is re: the dog and trying to convey how I feel that it seems to always be me ‘giving’ and letting go of remarks and behaviour on ex’s part for DS’s sake and for progress for them. I said to my ex that because I feel he’s working against me not with me that the offer was a take it or leave it so as not to get embroiled any further.

His response: “The dog is not mine and I will and can not have it. And if you are adamant about this I can not have DS overnight (but I guess you already know that)”

I have said a few times that the dog is DS’s, not mine. I have compromised and said on the day visits I’ll continue to have her. But the bottom line is I feel as though it’s always me compromising and that (as my ex has done before) that his response is emotional blackmail and that both he and my son will therefore ‘ blame’ me for them not having overnight stays. I don’t know if where their proposing to rent doesn’t allow pets, but if this is the case I feel he should’ve thought about the bigger picture of DS staying and had he have done so DS could’ve told him I’d said back in January that Skye would need to go with him.

I love my son, but whether it’s viewed as selfish by some I feel why shouldn’t I get some freedom out of this? I looked after our previous dog (3½ years until she died) when my ex showed no interest, what if I want to take advantage of our DS staying with his dad and go away myself, stay with friends further afield, it’s a lot more difficult with Skye in tow and if I say I’ll have her some weekends that will mean further email correspondence which I so don’t want to have to do unless absolutely necessary and only to do with DS (+ once I give a bit, ex always expects me to give more). HELP, I’m tired of being a pushover!! (Sorry for the very long post….thank you if you’ve read to the end x)

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HermioneJeanGranger · 16/05/2016 13:31

What influences are you talking about? Confused

Stratter5 · 16/05/2016 13:32

Frankly you come across as adding massively to the drama. Which makes me wonder just how difficult your ex actually is Hmm

WannaBe · 16/05/2016 13:33

The reality OP is that when a child has separated parents there will be influences which come from both parents which the other doesn't necessarily like.

But I'm sure you tell your DS that you don't like the influence of his dad eh. Hmm.

FWIW I have previously said no to animals on the basis I don't want to be the one left to look after them at weekends/when he starts going out with his mates and finding different interest/when he goes off to uni in five years time. But never in a million years would I use the animals we already have to manipulate what he can do now if you take on an animal you do so on the basis you are the one responsible for it. You are the one who passed the home check, therefore it is your dog.

Myinlawsdidthisthebastards · 16/05/2016 13:35

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BaronessBomburst · 16/05/2016 13:39

You wouldn't expect your son to take the dog to a sleepover, so why would he take her to his dad's?

whois · 16/05/2016 13:39

Your ex might be a twat but the dog is 100% your responsibility FFS not your 13 year old child's. You got it. You look after it.

CheesecakeWarrior · 16/05/2016 13:46

Your exh sounds like an absolute twat in general BUT yabu to expect him to take your dog. You can keep saying it's 13yo ds dog over & over but ultimately the responsibility lies with you.
I wouldn't take an ex's pet that was "for the kids"

LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 13:49

Blimmincheek - yes I messaged that although the answers aren't what I was hoping for, that I'm hearing the consensus loud and clear. The point of discussion threads like this (I thought) is to try to get others' more objective views when the person seeking opinions feels like they can't see the wood for the trees.
No I'm not using the dog to manipulate my son; he's enjoying seeing his dad (as he's getting spoilt among other things) and while it's going well I'd like it to continue. I've just reached a point of overload with the stress it's causing again. The divorce, house, finances, DS etc took nearly 4 years to sort and I simply don't want to get dragged back into the 'games'. That 4 year struggle is in the past though, this is about the future. If either of us is a manipulator it's my ex I'm afraid.

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PaulAnkaTheDog · 16/05/2016 13:51

If you don't want 'games' then don't expect your ex to have a pet you got after your divorce in his house. Hmm

ClaudoftheRings · 16/05/2016 13:52

DH's ex tried to get the new hamster brought over to us every other weekend. I thought she even more barking (pun intended) than usual.

But on everything else, OP, your ex sounds pretty unreasonable.

NewLife4Me · 16/05/2016 13:54

Your ex is a twat, but you can't expect him to have the dog.
I wouldn't have somebody else's dog, because I wouldn't have one myself.
You are responsible for the dog I'm afraid, you are the adult the dog belongs to you.

wombthereitis · 16/05/2016 13:55

I'm sorry some people seem to be hammering you on this for no reason OP.

Yes, obviously YABU on the dog BUT I can see why you would feel that way given the way your ex has behaved towards you in the past. If you feel like you're always the one having to compromise it'll start to cloud your judgement on when your ex is and isn't deliberately being a dick.

I agree with what others said about making sure and new contact arrangements are arranged legally rather than casually, especially if he's chucking threats of taking you to court around.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 16/05/2016 13:57

I think you probably need to start enjoying your DS free time, it may mean putting the dog in kennels occasionally but I think when you start feeling a bit of advantage it may take the sting out of whatever else is going on. If DS wasn't away you'd need to accommodate him and the dog if you fancied a wee trip to see friends.

FarrowandBallAche · 16/05/2016 13:57

I need a coffee after that first post Shock

Yabu. It's your dog.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 16/05/2016 13:59

It will only be a few short years until you'll e able to leave DS with the dog at home while you go away and it will be his own view on whether he wants to go and stay with his dad too.

sparechange · 16/05/2016 14:03

YABU. Very.

As much of an arse as your ex is, he had a baby with you. He didn't agree to getting the dog, you didn't discuss it with you and therefore isn't duty bound to have it as part of his arrangement with your DS

Insisting the dog goes with him is emotional blackmail and deeply unfair on your son. You need to look after the dog while your son tries to build a relationship with his dad.

LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 14:10

Thank you wombthereitis - I have felt pretty hammered....but tried to step back.
I hear the response and with it being so overwhelming and other aspects I hadn't considered, I won't insist the dog goes. People are right it was wrong of me to agree to having her last summer as yes most children will agree to do things then their interest can wane. I was a sucker of a mom huh!
I also think as you say with me compromising and him not, it has definitely begun to cloud my judgement - thank you x

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MargaretCavendish · 16/05/2016 14:13

Like everyone else, I think you're being wildly unfair to DS and ex in this. I would also like to point out that what you're proposing isn't very nice for the dog! Animals can't understand 'you go there every other weekend'. Your plan would confuse the poor thing, and I wonder how nice/suitable the ex's house would be for her? Obviously having someone look after the dog occasionally is fine - but every other weekend?

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LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 14:18

Thank you - OneMagnumisneverenough - I think I do.
One of the reasons I had to get the prohibitive steps was because on at least 2 occasions early on in our split my ex refused to bring our DS home - and some people have commented that I'm emotionally manipulative! It was horrendous!! That was also why I wanted to see regular commitment before discussing overnights as well as a better living set up for DS.

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LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 14:21

Blimmincheek - Yes, I'm hearing the consensus loud and clear + I hear the response and with it being so overwhelming and other aspects I hadn't considered, I won't insist the dog goes.

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MerrilySlidingAway · 16/05/2016 14:32

Oh dear op, you really do sound like hard work - it would be interesting to hear the other side of the story from your ex.

It's your son I feel sorry for in all of this, he should be able to see his dad as often as he wants to, he's at an age where he can start making his own decisions.

LucyJSkye · 16/05/2016 14:34

Wannabe – ‘All this crap about being proud of him for asking your permission to stay longer etc’
We hadn’t discussed or agreed overnights at that stage, mainly because of the shared living and because DS had told me that a stranger had broken in and slept the night in one of the rooms (shared old convent). My ex was trying to go around me (which wasn’t fair to put DS in that position) and disregard me totally. So it wasn’t simply a matter of can I stay a few hours longer mum? Plus as DS & me were going to baptism on the Sunday it showed my ex had no regard for mine & DS’s existing plans. As I’ve said I’m trying to keep a level head and not get into childish tit-for-tat, but where I have concerns for the safety of my son I will put my foot down.

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Mooey89 · 16/05/2016 14:34

You are getting a hard time here OP.
Your ex is right about the dog, you agreed to get it, whilst it is DS's responsibility he is 13 and the dog lives with you - there's no way it would even cross my mind to send dog with my son when he goes!

That said, I'm in the process of divorcing a fuckwhit and it does get so easy to be so emotionally embroiled in the process that you can't see reasonable from unreasonable anymore.