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AIBU - vegan dinner party guest EATING FISH

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isitginoclock · 13/05/2016 20:06

We're throwing a dinner party. I've just excused myself to the loo to write this because I'm FUMING!! One of our guests has recently become a vegan. I spent bloody ages making her a mushroom pate for starter which she happily tucked into whilst we ate our salmon tartare. She then asked if she could try some salmon.

Wtf?!?!

I've bought loads of different stuff for her to eat and spent all frigging day cooking it. Why do I bother?!

OP posts:
JessieMcJessie · 14/05/2016 11:28

You are making no sense whatsoever SuburbanRhonda. The guest's declaration that she was vegan was exactly the same as saying that she must have vegan food because the alternative was for her to sit at the table eating nothing. It entailed extra work for the OP, but the OP was obviously happy to do that work in order to make sure her guest was happy so I can't see why stating your dietary requirements is seen as "petulant and demanding".

However, having catered for a reasonable request, OP was more than entitled to be miffed that her extra work was not actually necessary after all as she had been misled about what fake vegan would eat.

BarbarianMum · 14/05/2016 11:28
SoupDragon · 14/05/2016 11:28

what was the problem

The problem is that by lying about your dietary requirements you have put your host to extra trouble and expense sourcing vegan ingredients and making extra food.

JessieMcJessie · 14/05/2016 11:29

limited the problem was that the vegan food was obviously not required and the OP had gone to extra effort for nothing.

GeezAJammyPeece · 14/05/2016 11:29

The bitching about it to other guests was a bit off, understandable due to frustration and the heat of the moment, but still not right.

this is the place for your bitching! Grin

SuburbanRhonda · 14/05/2016 11:32

OP was more than entitled to be miffed

I don't think anyone on this thread disputes that. Whether she was justified in waiting until the guest had left and then bitching about her behind her back to the other guests is where we differ.

Maplessglobe · 14/05/2016 11:39

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HowBadIsThisPlease · 14/05/2016 11:40

I am kind of horrified that anything you might do as a well meaning (if misguided) guest deserves bitching behind your back. I am sure I have made social mistakes before but unless I actually drank a litre of vodka before I turned up and then pissed in the coat cupboard, do I really deserve that everyone is going to sit around dissecting me afterwards?

Here is a conversation that I would expect to take place:

Person A "I can't believe she ate the fish / I can't believe she asked how your husband was when she should have known he is having an affair and you are divorcing him / I can't believe she walked into the dcs' bedroom when looking for the loo"

Person B "Ha ha I know... who knows what makes people do what they do.... anyway, [change of subject]"

Here is a conversation that seems really OTT to me:

Person A "I can't believe she ate the fish / I can't believe she asked how your husband was when she should have known he is having an affair and you are divorcing him / I can't believe she walked into the dcs' bedroom when looking for the loo"

Person B "I KNOW, RIGHT? She - etc etc"
Person C "It was totally outrageous!"
Persons D, E, F, G, H [total pile on]

That second conversation is what this sounds like, and it's nasty

SuburbanRhonda · 14/05/2016 11:41

the problem was that the vegan food was obviously not required and the OP had gone to extra effort for nothing.

According to the OP, the guest ate her vegan pâté, asked to try a bit of salmon (agree that's strange) and then ate her vegan main. Doesn't sound to me like the vegan food was wasted.

limitedperiodonly · 14/05/2016 11:45

I like cooking and also enjoy many foods suitable for vegans. So do many people whether they realise it or not. But if I was cooking for a party where most of us wanted to eat meat, I'd do that and buy a vegan alternative from the supermarket for the one person who said she was vegan. It's not as if they break the bank.

If that person ate all her starter then said she wanted to try some of the salmon starter I'd give her some if I had any left. If not, I'd say we'd eaten it all and then dish up the next course putting the vegan food which I'd bought in front of her. I'd then get on with eating, drinking and chatting with my guests rather than MNing from the loo.

Perhaps the OP will give an update saying the alleged vegan insisted on a homecooked meal.

Lweji · 14/05/2016 11:46

The vegan food wasn't wasted, but the OP's efforts were, if the guest would have been happy to eat the other food.

OP, next, time save your energy. buy some veggie paté, offer olives, or simple sauté beans or something that you can work out in 5 min. Or just do whatever you fancy and she can take it or leave it.

HowBadIsThisPlease · 14/05/2016 11:46

Mapless, I am not sure which posts you think of as "vegan bashing" but to be clear, I do admire people who take an ethical stance with their eating and I don't intend to "bash" by saying that most vegans struggle to be 100% consistent.

A person who ate a three course plant based meal and a bit of fish is still eating mostly a plant based diet, which has most of the ethical and environmental advantages they were presumably aiming for in the first place

WanHeda · 14/05/2016 11:48

I know a vegetarian who eats no vegetables either. She subsists on cheese and whte carbs and the occasional Quorn product.

HowBadIsThisPlease · 14/05/2016 11:48

Vegan food isn't even difficult (to make. To live on - can be.) It isn't a huge deal. You would presumably have served vegetables anyway, it's not as if you had to make a special journey a long distance to a special licensed vegetable-selling shop

limitedperiodonly · 14/05/2016 11:49

unless I actually drank a litre of vodka before I turned up and then pissed in the coat cupboard, do I really deserve that everyone is going to sit around dissecting me afterwards?

Grin now I do know someone who did that. Actually, she hovered over the loo and did a piss worthy of a racehorse but forgot to lift the lid. My friend was annoyed about that and I can see why.

SuburbanRhonda · 14/05/2016 11:49

The vegan food wasn't wasted, but the OP's efforts were

How do you work that out? She spent time cooking and preparing vegan food, the vegan ate it.

SuburbanRhonda · 14/05/2016 11:50

Sorry, "vegan" Grin

limitedperiodonly · 14/05/2016 11:51

OP, next, time save your energy. buy some veggie paté, offer olives, or simple sauté beans or something that you can work out in 5 min.

That sounds an excellent idea. What a shame no one has suggested it before.

SuburbanRhonda · 14/05/2016 11:51

I know a vegetarian who eats no vegetables either. She subsists on cheese and whte carbs and the occasional Quorn product.

Quick! Report her to the veggie police! After all, everyone knows vegetarians are supposed to eat only healthy food, unlike omnivores Hmm

pisangku · 14/05/2016 11:53

It's not as black and white as that - often within the vegan community, someone who does not eat animal products (perhaps for health reasons or otherwise) is a 'plant-based' eater. A vegan is generally someone who follows a cruelty free lifestyle, who eats a vegan diet for ethical reasons. This can extend to various other things such as refraining from purchasing/wearing fur or leather, using products tested on animals, using products with animal ingrdients added in etc. Some do not eat apples because the shine that is given to them is used with a chemical made from crushed beetles. Some do not eat sugar because it is filtered through bones. The list goes on and on and it seems every person has to draw the line where they deem suitable.
My point is that generally, those who classify themselves as vegan are doing their absolute best to reduce their contribution to animal cruelty. It is for them to decide where they draw the line and it is not anyone else's job to judge their efforts.

For the record, however, as a vegan I would not ask someone to provide vegan food for me and then eat the non-vegan food they prepared. I would feel it was rude. Still, veganism is hard when you are starting out, and maybe she felt she could give in a little around her friends and not be judged for it. When I was starting out, learning not to judge myself for my little slip ups was the vital step i had to take to transition fully into being vegan.

BarbarianMum · 14/05/2016 11:54

Jesus Rhonda are you putting it on or do you just not cook? Preparing a totally separate dish to the range of dishes when you are catering for a group is extra effort. And, generally speaking, expecting vegans/vegetarians to fill up on the accompanying vegetables/salad with no attempt to provide them with a balanced meal is rude.

EmmaWoodlouse · 14/05/2016 11:55

A few thoughts on this:

I totally understand what the terms "vegetarian" and "vegan" mean, and would do exactly what the OP did if someone said they were either of those - i.e. give them something that would be suitable for the strictest vegetarian or vegan. However, I wonder if what we really need is more commonly agreed terms for those various shades of almost-vegetarian and almost-vegan, because I've certainly known an awful lot of different varieties.

I've known someone who describes herself as a vegetarian but cheerfully admits she's not a very strict vegetarian, in the sense that she doesn't check labels for stock, gelatine etc, she just doesn't want to see meat or fish on her plate. I think she's "vegetarian" for taste and texture reasons, not ethical reasons. I also knew a vegetarian who brought up her children as vegetarian at home but didn't mind them eating fish at other people's houses (although she didn't eat it herself) simply because she knew some of their friends' parents just wouldn't be able to get their heads round cooking for total vegetarians. Both children grew up to be non-vegetarians by their own choice.

Another person said he didn't like meat, but cheerfully ate sausages and ham - he just didn't like a big slab of meat in its simplest form. He was from another country and I've since found out that it's quite common in his country to mentally separate "meat" from "meat products".

I know about 6 vegans, all of whom quite genuinely avoid eating anything vegans shouldn't eat, except that one of them says she wouldn't completely rule out eating honey, which vegans technically shouldn't have. She's quite apologetic about this, though, and would never ask for it after having described herself as a vegan. At least two of them were vegetarian for ethical reasons but became vegan for health reasons because dairy products and eggs aggravated conditions they had. Only one of them is ever in the least preachy about being a vegan, although the one I know best is very happy to talk about it if you initiate the conversation - in fact I ask him lots of questions because I'd like to be able to cook nice dinners for vegans!

I would want all of those people to be able to get what they wanted but I guess I would expect them to express themselves unambiguously when saying what they could have, otherwise they can't really complain when people get it wrong.

Personally, I think I could live as either a vegetarian as a vegan, although I have no strong urge to be either. But if I gave up both meat/fish and dairy products I think I'd miss the dairy products less.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 14/05/2016 11:56

Oh limited! GrinShock - poor hostess!

WanHeda - yes, I knew OF a vegetarian who didn't like vegetables, she ate a lot of cheese and white carbs too. Very unhealthy.

HowBadIsThisPlease · 14/05/2016 11:58

"maybe she felt she could give in a little around her friends and not be judged for it."

this is the bit that makes me feel sad for her. Parties are where people let their hair down a bit and behave with less restraint than day to day life - you don't usually have wine, pudding, etc, but you do with friends, for fun, as a treat. I feel like people are saying "if she must eat fish and try to be vegan, she should shove it into her greedy face at home in a locked cupboard!" this is so unhealthy. And so unkind. She thought they were her friends! she isn't perfect, but who is?

maisiejones · 14/05/2016 12:01

I invited a friend to a 'do' as I'd bought a table for ten. When the food came she made a huge fuss and there was much loud shock and horror that I hadn't ordered her a vegetarian meal. I'd known her for years, had eaten with her on numerous occasions and had absolutely no idea she was veggie (as I'd never seen any evidence nor had it been mentioned). When I stated I had no idea as she'd eaten shepherds pie at my house a couple of months previously she replied ' yes, but I was just being polite'! I wish she'd been as 'polite' on the evening in question instead of causing a scene.

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