To think our house is haunted?

[Amy214]

Quite long sorry

My mum has lived here for 36 years (my dad moved in at a later date. Mum was just divorced with 2 children) and only 2 people have previously lived here (it was a new ish house back then) when my siblings were younger they experienced some weird things (in my room mostly) my sister said she would see dark shadows standing at the bottom of her bed, she also said she seen a woman who looked like my mum with a jacket on and had her handbag. My brother also experienced someone punching underneath his bed (was full of toys and other rubbish so no one could fit underneath) my mum also checked under the bed and no one was there. He also felt someone breathing on his face. I am now in the same room and i have also felt/heard some weird things. My niece used to stay overnight and she would wake up in the middle of the night and just stare at the door and laugh (room was dimly lit) she is 3 now and has spoke about a man and woman being in the house (casual conversations with thin air) now dd is here weirder things have happened, dd used to sleep in my room and one day when i went to pick her up from a nap she looked right past me and laughed at something, i stepped away and she was still staring at the same thing. She also giggles as if they have said/done something naughty. When im in the room myself i always feel something tugging at my arm or scratching my foot. i have also seen dark shadows at the end of my bed, also at night i always hear a newborn baby cry (we are the only ones in the block with a toddler, neighbours are older) i also hear what sounds like children running up and down the stairs. 3 nights ago i was lying in bed and i heard a mans voice clear as day in my ear, it was very deep and i couldnt understand a word. I got such a fright i leapt out of bed and switched the light and no one was there, no one was outside and my dad was sleeping. Since dd has moved into her own room she has settled and no longer wakes up in the night. How do i check who the previous occupants were? And if there was a death? The house was built in 1975. Or are we just crazy

So does cancer, but only an irrational person would diagnose it in a stranger on an internet forum.

If summoning a ghost to return a phone and genuinely believing that it was the ghost that took the phone for a bit of a joke is not a sign of something more serious/severe then I don't know what is.

Dione Your comparison doesn't work. Only an irrational person would think that walking over hot coals or something could cure cancer.

Irrational beliefs come in all guises. Those who believe that they are qualified to diagnose MH issues in strangers over the internet have an irrational belief.

It's not a comparison, it's a statement.

Suggesting MH issues as a more likely possibility than ghosts isn't the same as believing oneself to be a MH professional.

If someone says they're hearing the sound of running water in the house and putting it down to ghosts, I'd suggest checking out pipe work and washers first. In no way does that mean I believe myself to be a plumber 🙄

Imagine someone going to the gp and saying they keep hearing voices, losing stuff, finding it in odd places, seeing people who can't be there, and the GP saying 'hmm, well before we look into your mental health, have you considered that it could be ghosts?'

It is one thing to make a suggestion: maybe you should call a plumber/go to a gp. It is quite another to call people names or diagnose MH issues.

Some people tell others that they have MH issues, not out of concern, but because they are dicks who use poor MH as an insult to those who believe differently from them. These people actually exist.

So is it more likely that a poster who repeatedly suggests MH issues and calls people names is a disabilist dick who cannot tolerate people talking about beliefs they do not share or a caring person with real concerns?

You're not going to go to a gp about ghosts though are you. They deal with illnesses.

There is a lot to be said about energy and it's untapped power. The unbelievers posting here just prefer their black-and-white staid existence.

I certainly don't believe in ghosts but I do find people that believe earnestly hilarious.

Is that all 'people with beliefs'? All cultures? All religions? All superstitions? All ''hilarious''?

How awful if so. You must fall about laughing trying to get past a mosques or a churches ect. How do you cope at Christenings?

That is so irrelevant to my post and this thread as to be entirely nonsensical .
Of course I don't fall about the place laughing when walking past a mosque or a church.

Nobody has "diagnosed" MH issues. Simply - and quite correctly - offered it as far more likely than the paranormal.

Ophelia - yes lots of woo-ers like to waffle on about "energy" and its powers. That sort of thing is pretty meaningless though when you come down to it. Impressive-sounding (to the hard-of-thinking/gullible) but basically just noise.

I don't find reality "staid" at all.
I think the opposite is true - I think woo-ers prefer their image of themselves as more open minded and enlightened; they love to imagine themselves as a little bit special. Not like people who are perfectly happy to accept reality as special enough already.

I mentioned nothing of running water myself. I described an incident when over the course of a day, after turning off a new, month old tap as hard as we could each time, a few seconds after we left the room, it would turn back on again. New washer, water pressure no different from usual. This carried on throughout the day, until I spoke to DH about it. After that conversation it stopped, and never happened again. Same tap, same washer, nothing replaced.

Similarly the light in DD3's bedroom would be switched off completely (we leave it on a low dimmer setting) every night, over the course of several evenings. Again, I spoke to DH about it, mentioning that I suspected that whoever was responsible for all the other goings on was responsible. Again, it stopped happening from that point onwards, and didn't happen again.

I suppose somebody is going to suggest that electrical issues can turn a dimmer knob dial from off to full, a total of approximately 220 degrees, as happened one night to the floor lamp in our living room, as witnessed both by myself and DH? Or that "electrical issues" can explain how a pair of electric speakers can suddenly, at 4 a.m., emanate some form of spoken words (we didn't hang about to listen to it, just switched them off ASAP) despite there being NO appliance connected to them that could account for this (freeview box switched off, only a music CD in the DVD/CD player)? How do dodgy electrics explain that, then? Again, this was witnessed by both DH and myself, in our bedroom.

I'm not stupid. I live in an eighty year old house and am perfectly familiar with issues of electrics and plumbing. None of that explains matters.

(I'm really from now on addressing the people who may be interested in all this in a genuinely curious, open way. I can't do anything about the people who consistently refute anything I'm saying. I may as well bang my head against a brick wall.)

Anyway, one evening DD3 had been watching a DVD in the blu- ray player in the living room before bath and bed. It had run for about 30 minutes. Now, with our player, if you switch it off with a DVD still in, having played it part way, next time you switch it on, and press "play", the DVD will play from that point onwards. So far, so standard.

The following day, as I brought DD3 back home from school, I said that she could watch the rest of the DVD. So we get in, coats and shoes off etc., into living room, put bags away and all that. There is only myself and DD3 in the house, and we have both been in the living room all this time since getting back.

I go to switch on the TV and the Blu-ray player, which up to this point have been off all day. I then realise that the Blu-ray player is switched on and the DVD is already playing. I check the counter; it has been running for seven minutes, which would be the time that we've been in the house. So, it was a nice thought to switch it on as we arrived home, but it wasn't much use, as DD3 wasn't ready straightaway, and the television wasn't even on to watch it anyway! So, I just scanned back to the 30 minute point where DD3 had finished off watching it yesterday.

I didn't switch that player on. DD3 didn't switch it on. It switched (or was switched on), and put into play mode - a disc won't play automatically when the player is turned on; you have to then press "play" - as we entered the house. As I was telling DD3 that she could watch the rest of that DVD. Funny, huh?

You know what, I do believe people when they say that something woo has happened to them. What I don't understand is the need to fill in the gap in knowledge with a ghost or someone who can't be seen but hey I'll talk to them anyway. Why?

God Youre, you really are rude!
I don't waffle on about "energy" and its powers, nor do I think of myself as special.

I would just like to know what threw things down the stairs at a house I lived in a few years ago.

I'm not making it up, what would be the point? I'm not an attention seeker.
I've lived in other houses since and nothing has ever happened like that.

It happened. I don't know why. That's it.

Liz. No. I know you didn't mention running water. I didn't say you did.

I was using an analogy.

Someone suggested that those who suggest MH problems as a possibility, believe themselves to be qualified to diagnose over the net.

I was saying that they were just, quite reasonably, suggesting the more likely thing.

"It happened. I don't know why. That's it".

Yay! Now you see that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say 🙂

The problem arises when people say "Well yes I believe in ghosts because things fell down the stairs and I don't know why SO THE ONLY EXPLANATION IS GHOSTS".

Not knowing what caused something to happen = fine.

Not knowing what caused something to happen, so leaping to a woo solution = a bit silly.

Why did/do I talk to this person?

Because if I hadn't done as advised, and asked aloud who it was, been given the answer, and later told them, "it's okay; I know it's you; you don't having to keep doing all this all the time. I know you are there, even if I can't see or hear you, and I know that all this is the only way that you can make your presence known" -

then

I might still to this day, be experiencing frequent, random activity at all hours of the day or night,

instead

of the situation I'm currently in, where I only now get a clear, definite "event" following e.g. my speaking to this person, or a particular occasion such as anniversary or birthday. It's no longer random, and I now know this to simply be this person's way of acknowledging my words. They no longer feel the need to send things flying across a room in order to alert me to their presence, and that suits me fine.

That is why.

It might benefit some of you to try to understand that, just because we may be unable, with our limitations of perception in this form, be unable to see, hear or touch something (or someone), doesn't mean that they don't exist.

liz I really think you should ask Channel 4 or some other sort of network if you can have your own TV show as it seems you experience this sort of thing on an almost daily basis?

I don't believe that ghosts exist. I never really thought I'd be writing such a sentence but there you go.

liz70 so is this presence someone you knew, you talk to them by name, was it a relative?
ive had experiences which i cant explain and i wasnt on my own so i know i wasnt going mad. i cant put it on here cos ive told that many ppl i'd probably out myself

adrenaline -''I certainly don't believe in ghosts but I do find people that believe earnestly hilarious.''

me ''Is that all 'people with beliefs'? All cultures? All religions? All superstitions? All ''hilarious''?

a - ''That is so irrelevant to my post and this thread as to be entirely nonsensical''

Is it? You said you don't believe in ghosts and find those who do hilarious. I asked if that goes for all cultures and religions. Seems quite relevant to the thread to me.

(The bit about mosques and christenings was sarcasm)

Why would I want a TV show? I'm quite content with my life as it is, and have no wish to change it.

I didn't say that things were happening everyday; remember that I'm describing events that have taken place over the course of ten years now. What I was trying to make clear was that the activity settled right down into defined instances after I'd openly acknowledged this person, as I described earlier. In fact, the last time was a couple of months ago, at the time of their birthday. So, hardly every day.

I could have spouted "I don't believe in ghosts" (I prefer the term "spirit" myself) all I wanted over these past ten years. It would have done nothing to stop what was happening, or to further my understanding of why it was happening. That would have just been pretending that nothing was happening, when it patently was, as observed by myself, my DH, and my DPs when they came to stay.

I had a voice to the side of me tell me something that was happening to someone close to me at the time. It was not in the night. It was in the middle of the day whilst a I was searching for ds swimming pants ... Explain that one I can't .

"so is this presence someone you knew, you talk to them by name, was it a relative?"

Hi, I can understand why you would ask this. No, it isn't a relative. I'm also wary of outing either myself or this person. I mentioned earlier that I have compared notes in person with two of their friends, who have also experienced ADC from them.

Wow there are some twats on this thread.

I 100% don't believe in ghosts or anything woo but I can't 100% say that means they don't exist! And calling people who believe they have experienced supernatural phenomena stupid and mental ill is low (I also hate the fake 'concern' posts).

Eponas I don't think a god-fearing Christian would take too kindly to you likening their religious belief to woo. There is certainly a school of thought that lumps them all together - whether that is right or wrong requires a different subject matter than one about a haunted house.

My laughter came from the idea that a 'ghost' would play hide-and-seek with a phone and some of the comments that were posted earlier wrt ruling out all logical explanation in favour of 'the ghost did it.' I can imagine my niece turning up to school and saying that the ghost ate her homework.

People can believe what they like. I'm not here to try to change their beliefs but I do find it rather funny that someone can be so hellbent on assuming the paranormal is at play rather than any other (rational) explanation. There is a lot we as a human race have not discovered about various synergies but I cannot take anyone who regularly instructs ghosts seriously.