Babies in travel systems

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Am I bu that I just get the rage when I see babies in carseats clunked to the pram?

Am I being a judgypants?

Fair enough on the nip in & out jobs like school run.

But supermarket? Theme park? National trust gardens? Running? Town? Zoo? Places were the child is likely going to have been in that carseat for a few hours!

They've already been in it for the car journey. I bet likely, some will only be out of them all day for feeding time.

I watched holiday supersavers last night and the baby did the walk to supermarket, around supermarket and walk nack home again in the flippin carseat!

I just want to go up to them and tell them to stop being lazy and think of their child's spine development.

Exactly Eagle

I call bullshit on this 30 minute thing. My baby is 11 months old and the rules were 2 hours for car seat use when he was born.

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In this article there are significantly more deaths in carseats due to airway restriction than any other sitting device. it mentions that babies should not be sleeping in their carseats."

Well then OP, the problem is surely with babies in cars AT ALL, rather than travel systems. As babies fall asleep in moving cars. I'd go so far as to say they are renowned for it - that's why people used to drive their crying babies round the block in desperation.

www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/GeneralPediatrics/15652

like the people who carry their babies out of hospital in the car seat - way more hassle than leaving it there and carrying the baby.

Most people have never put a tiny baby in a car seat before leaving the hospital themselves. It took us over 30 mins to do it! Its far easier (and probably therefore safer) to do it inside at your own pace rather than outside in the cold wedged between parked cars. Not to mention certain hospital have rather strict policy about leaving the hospital and having a car seat.

Yes deadgood it's the infant carseats in general.

The carrier type ones

That's fine, green, but after my EMCS with my twins I couldn't just tuck one of them under each arm whilst holding my toddler's hand and go along my merry way.

All 3 needed to be somewhere safe and secure. Sling for one newborn and double buggy (which was a gift) for the toddler and other newborn.

I'm sure there was some way of carrying all 3 of them to save myself hassle but I chose not to do that.

People need educating on the risks.

What risks? How do you know any of this children are in them more than 2 hours?

redtoothbrush both of my children came home from hospital in an erf carseat, which I couldn't bring up to the ward. The midwife stopped us on the way out as we were just carrying dd in our arms. When we explained that she'd have to come to the car to see the seat she refused as it was raining and 3 floors down.

Excuseme I haven't heard such bollocks for a long time, and it is absolutely none of your business what kind of device other people use to carry their children. If it gives you the rage, that's your problem, not mine.

I used a Graco travel system with both DCs (same one, 6 years apart) and neither children have spine problems, nor do they have issues caused by oxygen depravation supposedly caused by being in a car seat for more than 30 minutes.

You appear to have no comprehension of why other parents don't do as you do, and if you choose not to use a car seat for more than 30 minutes at a time it's absolutely none of my business. You have no right to judge me or any other parent who has used a travel system. For me it was a case of buying the most practical baby-carrying-pushing-along-and-car-transportation device that didn't cost two months of my then £600 a month salary. I would have loved a £2000 system from John Lewis but it just wasn't possible.

You are being very, very unreasonable and very judgemental.

So what in practise does that oxygen thing actually mean to someone without a degree in medicine / science? What harm? To what percentage of baby?

Has this study been critically assessed as to how good it is? Who is issuing this advice?

When even the professionals interpreting the study say "the findings of this study don't outweigh the benefits of safety seats in general." and "I know of no children who came to harm from this phenomenon." I won't be raising the alarm bells.

I've heard this carseat/hospital thing - not had that experience with either of mine - and it's none of their business, and it doesn't matter how well the kid is buckled in if the car seat isn't installed correctly - so do they follow you to the car to check that?

What if you're walking home or taking public transport (as I did with my first)?

I do realise that it's not applicable in all circumstances, and yet, it clearly works for some people (ie. me)

At the supermarket, I either kept babies in the mei-tai, or used one of the trolly baby carriers, or they sat in the seat when bigger - I had a buggy (barely used, because I seem to lack spacial awareness and kept bumping it into things - and my kids walked early enough that I didn't need one when they got too heavy to carry - that was just luck) for long days out.

Travel systems are convenient for some people, but are not the one true path - there are other, perfectly workable solutions.

excuseme, I presume you practice all the other guidelines to protect against SIDS to the letter?

Exclusive BFing, no smoking, remaining in the room at all times when baby is sleeping for first 6 months?

I'm still waiting to see any research that shows there's a corresponding rise in SIDS starting from the introduction of travel systems.

I suspect there isn't one.

I sense some frantic Googling going on, desperately trying to come up with plausable, non-contradictory study.

You don't have to spend hundreds of pounds on a pram (car seat is a different matter). We got our Silvercross sleepover for £5 from ebay! We bought a new mattress, gave it a thorough wash and had the chassis sent to Silvercross for them to put new fittings on it so it would fit the new Silvercross car seat.

So yes, we have a lovely pram, which dd can lie flat in (and does so happily). I just wonder OP where I am meant to put my shopping when the damn thing takes up the whole of the boot of my car??

Surely the fact that there are lieflat carseats on the market means that the upright ones are a problem

Maybe the makers of lieflat carseats have just found a gap in the market, making a different style of car seat to attract customers. There are some false assumptions at play in your reasoning here OP.

YABU, and since you don't care that YBU, why even post in the first place?

Isn't that the point though green?

You do what works for you and other parents do what works for them. There is no One True and Right Way.

My DH abhors those baby seats in trolleys because he believes they're full of germs. Is he right? I don't know but it's just an example of how we all do things in our own way.

YABU in general but YANBU at theme parks, museums etc

I do this all the time but only when I'm taking him somewhere he will be taken out of the seat, like a baby group, or nipping into a supermarket for a couple of things. I put him in the trolley seat if I'm buying more than that.
It's getting more often that I do this since I can't actually carry him in his seat anymore, and carrying him round the co-op kills my back and arms! He's 21lbs at 8 months!

gwenneh - not sure about research as I never looked into it. I just read a story about a newborn being left in a car seat (at a nursery and in America I think) but it was enough to put me off (but to be fair I think I am over the top anxious about SIDS to the point where I wake up ALL THE TIME during the night to check on DD)

I can find some studies based around prem babies and mild desaturation.

My brain can't cope with more than that, I have a vomiting toddler!

I don't like them but I simply don't use one for my kid.. What everyone else does is none of my business. Worry about yourself.

The pushchair/pram that I got (Bebecar) can supply you with attachments to use the carrycot as a lay flat car seat however the safety tests do not come up as safe with the lay flat ones as say a maxi cosi (using this comparison as this is what I have)