Should Disney have a same sex couple?

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Just getting views.

This is something I feel like Disney movies should have.

Being in a same sex couple is nothing to hide from children.

I am sure I read somewhere that some nutter in America wanted Frozen banned because the Christoff/Sven friendship 'promoted beastiality'.

God knows what they thought of Beauty and the Beast then

I'm not surprised that there are homophobic people on here but I am surprised that people are so open about it. When it's followed up with "but God said", I am totally .

Actually anyone ever wonder about sarge and the hippy car in Cars... more so in cars 2 and some of the shorts?

They could have slid a gay couple in years ago and noone noticed...

Yy to Elsa staying single. She doesn't need a man to complete her so I don't think she needs a woman either. She is a rare example of strong singleness!

And to be fair to the nutter who complained about Sven and Kristoff. ..there is a blatant bestiality gag that might not be to everyone's taste :"that thing with the reindeer/it's a little outside nature's laws"

Not Disney I know but I really wanted Gru to end up with Dr Nefario. I was very disappointed by despicable me 2

Oh and prunella and pat are deffo a couple.North London lesbian writers for sure.

Oh for goodness sake, what does it really matter. Let children be children and answer questions when asked. Innocence is lost to young these days. I just want my kids to grow up enjoying their childhood and I will answer any queries they have as they grow. But I'm not pushing the issue on them ... just like I don't send them to church even tho I have my own beliefs. And before anyone thinks I'm anti anything my own brother is gay. And happily loved up. He adores his neice and nephew and they him also. It doesn't matter really. As long as we all treat each other as humans with respect and love. And it's not up to any film company to educate our children. That's a parents job! We are all entitled to our opinion and should respect each other for that.

ToTheMoon, lots of posters on this thread - including me - spelled out exactly why it does matter to us and to our children. Didn't you read those posts? Do you think that gay children, or children with gay parents, should just suck up the fact that they see no positive representations of their family?

And what does it have to do with innocence? My children are as innocent as anybody else's - me being lesbian doesn't corrupt them any more than you being heterosexual corrupts your kids. How on earth does the lesbian couple in Tabby McTatt stop children being children? When my kids' friends meet me, do you think that somehow stops them enjoying their childhood?

As for it being parents' job to educate their children about diversity - it's really hard to adequately do that if your children don't actually get to see any representations of what you're talking about. Assuming you're white, how would you feel if your children grew up only seeing black people on TV, or in books? Seriously, do you think that would be ok?

We are of course all entitled to our opinion but I see no reason to respect people who believe that my very existence somehow corrupts their children.

Of course it is better if tv and film is more diverse and there's no need to be subtle in a Bert and Ernie way. I can't see Disney going for a gay lead considering the very religious south of the US and the inevitable rise in Disney erotica that a lesbian kiss would create. The media make a big deal out of gay kisses in soaps aimed at adults.

But why should Disney be promoting any romantic storylines in this day and age? The best relationships in Disney movies is the lead character and sidekick rather than lead character and prince.
Widows shouldn't have to get married and changing the endings to be more modern don't need to be complicated. I mean in Frozen, maybe the sisters find their happily ever after by establishing a snow cone business together rather than hooking up with a man?

I just want my kids to grow up enjoying their childhood Does that mean you don't want them to be exposed to any romantic stories at all? Or do you mean some romances (Anna & Kristoff) are fine, but others (Prunella & Pat) prevent children from enjoying childhood? Surely you can see how offensive that is?

No one has been able to explain why a gay relationship is less innocent than a straight one.

Cards on the table here, I'm not straight. I'm demisexual and pansexual. I'm not attracted to people unless there's a strong bond there originally and gender doesn't really matter to me. Growing up I felt broken when other girls talked about celebrity crushes and boys they fancied. When I discovered asexuslity and demisexuality it clicked.

My sexuality is hard to represent, but lesbian and gay is not. No one should have to feel like a freak because society has a problem with anyone outside the majority.

Oh and my son is no less innocent than anyone else's.

Assuming you're white, how would you feel if your children grew up only seeing black people on TV, or in books? Seriously, do you think that would be ok?

To be fair, there's loads of gay people on the TV, every soap has at least two, in fact Hollyoaks has 5 that I can think of off the top of my head, & as there's only about 12 characters in Hollyoaks that's pretty good going. So children of gay parents & gay children themselves, are growing up seeing a lot of gay characters on TV. But back to Disney & any 'big' film for that matter, they will always stick to the white heterosexual formula, as that's what the majority identify with. I'm struggling to think of a black woman who has been cast as the romantic lead in any film? ( apart from the body guard ) so a lesbian has no chance.

Maybe gay script writers could set up their own film company & produce some films themselves?

Random Disney has Tiana.

Well there you are then - subject closed.

Why is it closed? It features one black women and suddenly that's it, diversity is achieved?

Jasmine isn't white either. Neither is Mulan. It's not a case of Disney having to stick to white and heterosexual.

I was joking.

But it's not me you need to convince it's the people at disney, email them & see what they say?

It doesn't have to fit every single issue for every single person.

Agree. I love Disney, loved the parks in America and the people who were at parks represented every section of society.

I hate TV shows and films which are trying so hard to be uber-inclusive and diverse and it's almost like a tick box exercise - the black character, the asian character, the gay man, the lesbian, the person with a disability, the single mother, the step family, the transgender person, the wheelchair user, etc etc etc. Characters are written not for their acting skills or contribution to the movie or TV programme, but because they are diverse. That makes for a rubbish movie.

Some series do it well - the lady in Silent Witness who does all the techie stuff who just happens to be in a wheelchair and the girl who plays a similar role in Vera.

But starting planning a project with the "right, let's write a story where Elsa gets a girlfriend" is just a recipe for disaster. The story and plot has to come first and as part of that if they can make a character black/gay/disabled that's great.

Luna we don't want it to be in your face. That's the point. We want good characters who just happen to be gay/disabled/ethnic minority etc

But as a previous poster said, if a large oration of Disney's Consumers (I.e those who watch/purchase the films) live in parts of the world where homosexuality isn't accepted then they aren't going to risk their takings by offending large numbers of its target audience.

I have absolutely no problem with LGBT whatsoever. However i would be very surprised if Disney have a same sex couple. My children see LGBT people every day, in fact my grandfather is actually transgender and it has raised some questions with my daughter who doesn't understand why after 60 years he has decided to dress as a women. Im really happy that my children will grow up with more awareness and i have always instilled in them that everyone is different but equal. My daughter is disabled and i have always said to her that it doesn't matter if your disabled/gay/black/white etc everyone deserves to be happy and i firmly believe that. However, for some reason i don't know if Disney should have a same sex couple? Then they would have to have a transgender, a disabled person, an autistic person (my own child is autistic.) etc. I quite like the fact that a lot of disney is a 'fairytale' and that it doesn't reflect real life as when i was a child disney was a form of escapism. I didn't always want it to reflect true life.

Writer that's true; however if they choose money over ethics, that's immoral.

Writer that's true; however if they choose money over ethics, that's immoral

You are right but I don't think morality is their priority. Money makes the world go round and all that and as a huge franchise Disney's success has always been about its widespread popularity and nobody is going to risk that.

It depends what we're debating here - should they do it? (YES) or will they do it? (Sadly, probably not any time soon)

Plus homosexuality is still illegal in about 50 counties ( maybe more? ) so they wouldn't be able to show the film in any of those countries - so money lost.

Should they do it? Not really, they aren't obligated to do anything. It is not the responsibility of Disney to educate children about diversity and seek to normalise it. They're just a company that make children's film, I honestly don't know why they are being chastised for not having same sex couples in their films.

I'm pretty sure they many, many more children regularly watch CBeebies than Disney films so maybe everyone should start asking why Peppa Pig and all the other 100 children's programmes aren't including same sex couples and transgender characters in their programmes either?