Should Disney have a same sex couple?

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Just getting views.

This is something I feel like Disney movies should have.

Being in a same sex couple is nothing to hide from children.

Oh and this politician was just reelected a few days ago qso obviously there's a lot of people who agree with him

Bloody Hell Sirona - that's insane!

Are gay couples allowed to adopt children in Ireland? Or do you mean he's making reference to lesbian couples who use donor sperm from a male friend or a woman who acts as a surrogate for two gay men?

bbc article here He was our health minister

This is homophobia and what we have to stick up with here.

Yes they can adopt now but I think that's quite recent thing, as in only a few years ago.

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Link didnt work, on tablet. Non clicky version www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32443730

Wax

You say that I choose to believe something that there is no evidence for and we also differ here. The evidence for our creator is everywhere and overwhelming.

Scientific evidence please? I can produce plenty of evidence, particularly quantum experiments, that suggest no God.

Religions may have some legal protection but the opinion is not protected from criticism. The protection generally comes from ensuring no one is discriminated against on the basis of it.

You haven't explained why they shouldn't though. You've just said that its your religion. WHY do you feel your religion jeans Disney shouldn't feature gay characters?

While people are equal, opinions are not. Some are supported by fact, others aren't. Yours isn't.

Olivia

WTF does this visible bollocks mean anyway? Scrubbed up and made presentable for mainstream, public consumption?

No. It just means having openly gay characters on TV.

There's no longer the entrenched homophobia in Western society so get over yourself. Gay people marry, live together, adopt children have prime time TV shows, etc and no one really cares.

I'd advise you to speak to some gay people and ask them about their experiences of homophobia. It being illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I know gay people who are wonderfully indifferent about seeing same sex couples on children's TV. They aren't self haters nor have they internalised homophobia or any of the other PC drivel / jargon you social justice warriors can sum up. They just dont want to be a part of the kind of corporate PC fascism that Hollywood/Disney always wants to promote.

The "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" adapted now to "I know some gays!"

Also none of them have told me they'd wish a gay lifestyle on their own children..Also not all of them support gay marriage either. Perhaps they are all contributing to their own misery? But that's people for you!

What is a gay lifestyle? Do gay people drive their gay car to their gay workplace and do their gay job, come back and eat their gay dinner? Or are they just people, as varied as anyone else?

Can you prove that? So in that case aren't you the one who is choosing to believe in something which there is no evidence for. ?
Did you choose your sexuality? I didn't.

www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2015/jul/24/gay-genes-science-is-on-the-right-track-were-born-this-way-lets-deal-with-it

What next a Disney princess with acne, greasy hair and a thyroid problem?

So you see being gay as something undesirable then?

Future gadget
Don't you dare DARE put words in my mouth. Unless you are stupid you realise entirely that's not what I meant.

I couldn't give two fucks about your sexuality or anyone else's. Each to their own. I don't think Disney need to change he way they do things.

Your post is hysterical.

Don't get defensive because you realised how offensive your post was.

A Disney movie where male and female characters remain friends and there's no romance would be refreshing too.

Since when was the purpose of Disney to validate? I wasn't aware gay people needed validation or to be present in everything to somehow justify or explain their existence and generally speaking tokenism does more damage than good.

Who even cares anymore what sexuality anyone else is? Should they have a same sex couple is the same as asking why can't they be polygamists? Where are all the tattooed princesses ? why can't elsa wear a hijab? because Disney isn't tumblr nor a big social movement.

Not really to be honest. Fairytales are just that.......fairy tales.....let's keep them traditional. There's so much on TV about same sex couples, etc that I don't see the need for Disney to have to incorporate this in their films. A lot of their films are aimed at toddlers etc......let's just keep them innocent without all this crap......surely it's up to us as parents to explain same sex, disability etc.

Oh and by the way, before anyone starts having a go.....I have no problem whatsoever with same sex couples, disability, mixed race couples etc. Just giving my view (as requested)

A lot of their films are aimed at toddlers etc......let's just keep them innocent without all this crap......

This is the whole point.

Why are heterosexual relationships okay in movies aimed at toddlers but not same sex couples? What is the difference?

No-one is asking Disney to show Elsa and her girlfriend getting down and dirty in the hot tub Just for her to fall in love with a princess the same way Ana 'innocently' fell in love with whatshisface.

The more children are "exposed" to different couples, the sooner this type of thinking will die out.

VERY well said seafood... It seems the voices of reason are emerging finally..

Oh dear didn't really get the point I was making did you Future. Either that, or you enjoy going around in circles? The entire point, which went over your head it seems, is that you and your fellow "lets do more for the poor suffering gay people co's we're so nice and liberal" Should not view gays as a homogeneous bunch. There are many gay people who do not want to see some chisel jawed, whiter than snow, hero - do gooder, (who just happens to cuddle up to his equally glorious male partner at night), righting wrongs in a Disney movie. Do you think you'd get anything but that from Disney? (and it is Disney we are talking about here, despite your little attempt at moving the goalposts with openly gay characters on TV. Unless you're saying we all ought to feel collective shame as we just dont get openly gay people on TV? Imagine -- an openly gay person on telly????

Gay people get away with stuff on TV no hetro would in a million years. Look at what Julian Clary used to come out with at 7pm on a Saturday night years ago. Or what Milo whasisname says about feminists and Lesbians. You telling me a hetro man wouldn't be burned at the stake for that kind of thing?. Gay people are free to establish themselves in the public mind as people that can get away with far more than hetro's, so enough trying to police gay people's oppression, please!!!.

Ohhh and you don't say - the latest (and I'd never have guessed it), Guardian article, telling us the hunt for the legendary 'gay gene' is over - it's been found, Rejoice, Rejoice!!! (BTW I must have missed all the gay people dancing in the streets at that little discovery) I think you'll find they're a bit like iPhones these studies, there's a new one out every year. Still inconclusive though and fall to pieces when closely examined. But trumpeted by the lefty media as a genetic explanation for homosexuality. Thing is - it doesn't actually matter whether or not you were “born this way,” what matters is being accepted the way you are, however you got there. My point to you – was that it cant be proved either way, so stop telling others how mean and nasty other people are for holding the beliefs they hold, ithat's about as intolerant is it gets.

It may go against the “progressive” consensus but I and many people, including some extremely dazzling and brilliant gay academics and social commentators believe that being gay is very likely an adaptation for the majority, not an inborn trait. So writing in a gay character into a Disney movie for many people, is to needlessly over familiarise and promote homosexuality to children. Most adults mainly hetro ones but including gay ones, would not wish to do that. So with that in mind I don't really see why Disney needs to adopt any other type of narrative other than that of happy-ever-after male/female relationships.

That's a very good point Cubtrouble. There are far better targets/worse offenders, for our social justice warriors to get their PC drawers in a knot over... Disney is possibly the 'gayest' (and I don't mean sub-standard) institutions ever and its films are as camp as Christmas as it is.. Wonderful stuff!!!

Jesus Fucking Christ There are people on this thread saying that homophobia doesn't exist anymore in the West, even implying LGB people have it better than straight people! I can't believe anyone could think that. Hate crime, legal barriers, issues disproportionately associated with LGB people such as mental health problems, homelessness, substance misuse... do people seriously not know these exist?? YES gay people need validation in a way straight people don't, of course they fucking do.
And while I'm busy being pissed off, FWIW my children are innocent and they have friends with gay parents. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

And I just spotted the reference to "promoting homosexuality" We've promoted heterosexuality to children way too much if you ask me.

Olivia

The entire point, which went over your head it seems, is that you and your fellow "lets do more for the poor suffering gay people co's we're so nice and liberal" Should not view gays as a homogeneous bunch*

I've not suggested they are.

There are many gay people who do not want to see some chisel jawed, whiter than snow, hero - do gooder, (who just happens to cuddle up to his equally glorious male partner at night), righting wrongs in a Disney movie. Do you think you'd get anything but that from Disney? (and it is Disney we are talking about here, despite your little attempt at moving the goalposts with openly gay characters on TV.

I'm sure plenty of gay people don't like Disney. However for kids growing up it would be nice to see gay couples and be represented.

You asked what visibility meant, I explained. I was not moving the goalposts.

can get away with far more than hetro's, so enough trying to police gay people's oppression, please!!!.

A couple of offensive jokes makes up for years and years of entrenched homophobia?

The study didn't say that, it said evidence is pointing to gay not being a choice. While some agree with you, the vast majority of evidence supports it not being a choice.

So you think having a gay character would make more people gay? In that case, wouldn't everyone be straight because the overwhelming majority of characters are straight?

As for your latter point, what makes you think we're not? It's possible to support more visibility for gay people AND be tackling issues like FGM and the refugee crisis.

Hate crime, legal barriers, issues disproportionately associated with LGB people such as mental health problems, homelessness, substance misuse... do people seriously not know these exist??

But it doesn't matter because a few gay comics said something mean about straight people, so it's about even!

People never cease to amaze me.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that Dd1's friend came out to her via text recently.

The reason he did this was that he had came out to mutual acquiantance, who had recorded the conversation and was threatening to post it to social media if the poor lad didn't do everything she said.

He was asking if he could rely on dd for support if it did come out.

If homophobia doesn't exist then this child wouldn't have been worried about it coming it out. It's sad to think that things like this happen in todays society, but they definately do. That a child has to deal with that is appalling imo. We need to change that urgently. Part of that change is to show same sex couples in the same light we show hetero couples, be it in Disney, literature, TV or other films.

It needs to be normalised because it is normal, despite what a centuries old book that also condems menustrating women as unclean, forbids wearing mixed fabrics and promotes murdering your children if they follow a different religion has to to say on the matter.

For anyone interested the children took thier fight to social media (via inbox messages) and I intervened, the bully was left in doubt that I not only aware of what was going on but had screenshot the entire conversation and would go straight to the head if she carried out her threats - the lad didn't want to do this himself because he was worried the teachers would judge him.

Urgh.

Is it "tokenism" or unecessary "validation" to have so many thin, white, heterosexual and sexualised princesses then seafood?

Or only these things when the character is black, gay, disabled?

Lost unfortunately many people are missing the point because it doesn't affect them in a negative way. Very selfish imo.

My rambling post was basically what you said. If gay people were represented in children's programmes I wouldn't have been a lonely child of a lesbian woman as I knew my family was different and couldn't relate to anyone/anything. I do think society is much more accepting now but it would be nice to see more diversity in children's programme.

I also agree with PP's suggestion of not having any romantic storyline - because it represents life in general. A man and a woman can just be friends, just like a child can have gay parents so why is that never shown?

Disappointing to read some views but it's their POV and thankfully they are in the minority on this thread.

wow this thread has gone sideways, can't people have an opinion any more

Which arguments are going "sideways"?

The simple reason that Disney won't do this is that they have massive markets in countries where homosexuality is illegal (ie the Middle East) I live in a country where magazines are checked and peoples cleavages are blacked out. I can't see a same sex couple going down well here. In fact they wouldn't show it. I'm in agreement with Afropuffs here. I couldn't give two hoots what people do but I don't think Disney should have to take the responsibility for teaching kids about diversity. That's your job as a parent.

I think they should - but not Elsa. To make her a lesbian now would need Frozen 2 devoting to her coming out, finding love, having a relationship with a woman and probably all the inevitable real-world issues that comes with coming from a conservative (royal!) background and being gay.

And reading that back and realising it's putting way too much thought into what should be a fun disney film is exactly why it can't be Elsa. Like it or not, it will have to be dealt with sensitively - it will be a brave new step for Disney, they can't and won't just wing it.

A new franchise with already-gay-and-it's-no-big-deal characters is needed.

Surely Sven and Olaf already covered that?

Are sven and Olaf a couple? I thought they were just friends. I am sure I read somewhere that some nutter in America wanted Frozen banned because the Christoff/Sven friendship 'promoted beastiality'.

I for one was very disappointed when I watched it. I expected a no holds barred depravity that we would corrupt our precious youth. #disappointed