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To ask if it's a good thing that London has a Muslim mayor

612 replies

DoesFlossfloss · 06/05/2016 21:17

Because my London based in-laws are not happy and I've not been following the campaign as I'm not in London so don't really care. However, we're seeing PILs this weekend and it will be up for discussion.

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BertrandRussell · 09/05/2016 13:28

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To ask if it's a good thing that London has a Muslim mayor
Lweji · 09/05/2016 13:28

Whilst we are at it lets also mention the fact that the Queen has some serious explaining to do.

or even...

To ask if it's a good thing that London has a Muslim mayor
Lweji · 09/05/2016 13:29

My grandmother is also very guilty on the hijab front.

LovePGtipsMonkey · 09/05/2016 13:46

olivia, yes, I'd like to know too, have very little knowledge about him apart from being a lawyer/son of bus driver.

I don't know why anyone is worried about Khan though - he represents Labour, he's not some one-man dictator to be who suddenly will rule over everyone, not a free agent in other words. He answers to both Labour party leaders AND Londoners who are not going to stand for any discrimination/terrorist sympathies if any politician tried to promote it. I bet many Muslims don't see him as a 'proper Muslim' either with his support of gay marriage, and his female relatives not covering heads etc.

LookJust quite, this is UK, not Middle East so you are going to see more white people, but also very high percentage of black and Far-Eastern ethnicities who came or were born in the UK, most of whom are not Muslims - it's historically a majority white country (and also both white and black population is majority Christian) so your point is ridiculous as it's not about race, but about religion and culture/behaviour in this given society.

People feel sensitive about 'hordes of Muslims' because they are bringing a completely different religion and culture to a place where people are happy with their own system/culture, hard-worked for and defended in wars! People have pride in their (and generations before) achievements regarding democracy and economy.The equality of women wasn't won easily either but it's been progressing for a century, own religion is also not obligatory in this country - many disagree with any religion, so it's hardly surprising that seeing Muslims who do not integrate but bring their culture (especially women covered in black, hatred of gays) to this country is jarring on people. That's even besides the radicalism - which is of course a small minority but it's has brought the real damage, and the aggression and segregation is their hallmark. Muslim men imposing rules on women to cover up and to submit to husbands generally, and then imposing that on the streets here is seen as a quiet aggression and promoting their rules, even though it's miles away from extremism.
What most people want to know is, why choose a Euro country to live in (unless you had no choice of where to go as a refugee) if you could live in a Muslim country and share your beliefs with majority, it's seen as having to tolerate something that's against hugely important values .It's an equivalent of hordes of white people who are parading a big cross 'in your face' in a Muslim country - or hordes of white women in mini skirts in a Muslim country. Obviously the difference is they'd be persecuted there, whereas here people tolerate black coverings (especially of the face) but they don't have to approve or like it. Out of all immigrants (regardless of race/nationality) it seems like it's Muslims who don't want to integrate into the Western society rules, yet they still choose to come here.
No one is uncomfortable with Buddhists, or Jews, or Catholics, Orthodox or Sikhs because none of those religions discriminate against women - at least not anywhere near to this extent, and the warring extremist element is non-existant or very low (IRA was/is an exception out of all Christian and/or Catholic countries).
Minority religions are accepted happily here - and so are the minority of people who don't integrate with the way they dress - but when increasing numbers come into this country and become more and more present visually, and also form some sort of mini-states where even Sharia law rules by-passing some of the laws of this country, of course it's not going to be liked - it's seen as aggressive.
People who make these comments lack respect to the history and political achievement of this country/the West generally - anyone is free to live where they like but surely the point of immigration is to integrate into a new country because you WANT to live there, not to stick to your own culture opposing their fundamental values (as I say unless you are a war refugee who had no choice).

LookJustCancelTheCheque · 09/05/2016 13:50

It's an equivalent of hordes of white people who are parading a big cross 'in your face' in a Muslim country. Hmm I've never seen any of my Muslim friends, neighbours or colleagues parading anything in anyone's face.

If you think 'hatred of gays' has only existed since recent waves of immigration from Muslim countries, you must have had your head in a cupboard for a long time.

No one is uncomfortable with Buddhists, or Jews, or Catholics, Orthodox or Sikhs because none of those religions discriminate against women - at least not anywhere near to this extent

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2016 13:53

#LondonHasFallen We don't want multiculturalism. Keep our Celtic-Roman-Angle-Saxon-Viking-French blood pure.

Erm yeah.

Floisme · 09/05/2016 13:59

Have you read the last few pages, LovePG? Posters of Irish descent - including myself - talking about our recent experiences of growing up in the uk.

Integration works both ways.

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2016 14:04

No one is uncomfortable with Buddhists, or Jews, or Catholics, Orthodox or Sikhs because none of those religions discriminate against women - at least not anywhere near to this extent

Jesus wept. (Pun intended).

Which planet do you live on again?!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/05/2016 14:08

Since several PPs have mentioned Sharia law, I wonder if Sadiq Khan will do anything towards closing down Sharia courts in London?

He seems to be on record for speaking out against some of their consequences, and it would be hard to accuse him of Islamophobia if he took any action - though no doubt some would try

123lekl · 09/05/2016 14:15

It's like MNetters are falling over themselves to show how right on they are in celebrating a Muslim mayor. I will watch with more interest than (as a non Londoner) I have shown so far.

OP....... I can't actually believe I've just read that!
I don't think the majority of people on here are 'celebrating' the fact he's Muslim or proving a point, they are saying it's wrong/ racist/ ridiculous/ insulting/ unnecessary/ grossly unfair to judge him or make assumptions about him because of his religion

albertcampionscat · 09/05/2016 14:20

Catholics* don't discriminate against women? I must have missed all those female priests.

I don't get the hijab fear either. Round here half the time it's being worn by some nice lass who's gossipping with her Western dressed friends about what X said to Y and what Y said back and why A isn't going to B's party. They're about as scary as carrot cake.

*Actually lots of Catholics as individuals don't. The Church as an institution, however, bloody well does.

HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky · 09/05/2016 14:21

No one is uncomfortable with Buddhists, or Jews, or Catholics, Orthodox or Sikhs because none of those religions discriminate against women - at least not anywhere near to this extent

Fucking hell did you actually say this?

Let's start at home shall we - women being imprisoned in the UK/Northern Ireland in 2016 for terminating a pregnancy. Abortion still illegal in NI. Religion is happily riding roughshod over human rights in NI/UK!
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/08/northern-ireland-abortion-women-culture-suspicion-fear-prosecution-belfast

Shall we talk about "illegal" orthodox Jewish schools in London?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/illegal-jewish-schools-department-of-education-knew-about-council-faith-school-cover-up-as-thousands-a6965516.html

Anyone else want to chip in?

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 09/05/2016 14:25

I am English therefore I am, in some way, probably distantly related and definitely know some people who hold EDL/UKIP type views

that does not mean I share their views

Op you have just opened a little door for everyone who hates Muslims to come and bash them, well fucking done

and he won by 65% - Zac Goldsmith had a very good chance and fucking BLEW it big time by running a race driven campaign and sending stupid "Dear Mr Singh" letters

PortiaCastis · 09/05/2016 14:32

The people have voted for the candidate they wanted. Sadiq has been democratically elected so why all the fuss?

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2016 14:33

It's like MNetters are falling over themselves to show how right on they are in celebrating a Muslim mayor.

Yep I'm trying to prove how liberal I am rather than point out how ridiculous stupid / shit / inaccurate / flawed the argument are that 'SK is dangerous because he's Muslim and has hung out with some bad dudes' and how 'his' bad dudes are worse than all the other bad dudes and how other religions are all so much more progressive than 'his' religion.

I did in fact ask for evidence of SK's 'bad dude past' and how it was so much worse than someone else's like say, the Queen. For the interests of balance. I just would like to know what level of accountability we need here for all public figures and how we judge one bad dude by association over another bad dude by association.

If someone can actually provide me with a case to answer as to why SK is bad himself, rather than bad by association, I will be grateful and will happily look at it as its quite important for democratic process and in turn liberalness.

I reserve the right not to deem SK guilty until I have that case to answer and evidence to back it up, as you know, this British value of innocent until proven guilty is a fairly important one.

MrSnow · 09/05/2016 14:40

40% of England's muslims live in the capital city. Plus, London is the home of the liberal left elite who see islam as their saviour against Capitalism so it's no surprise that Mr Khan was voted in.

I hope things will turn out fine but I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't. He's a muslim first, a mayor of London second.

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2016 14:41

No one is uncomfortable with Buddhists, or Jews, or Catholics, Orthodox or Sikhs because none of those religions discriminate against women - at least not anywhere near to this extent

Let's start at home shall we - women being imprisoned in the UK/Northern Ireland in 2016 for terminating a pregnancy. Abortion still illegal in NI. Religion is happily riding roughshod over human rights in NI/UK!

Can we just be clear here.

This particular illegal violation of Human Rights (as ruled by a NI court), is supported not just by those pesky Catholics, but also by those bastions of virtue the Protestants, most of whom are of English descent.

They have united in their shared loved of discriminating against women, and the NI assembly also supported this illegal violation because they didn't think Human Rights would be a vote winner in many circles.

BertrandRussell · 09/05/2016 14:42

"hope things will turn out fine but I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't. He's a muslim first, a mayor of London second."

What, specifically, do you think he is going to do?

MitzyLeFrouf · 09/05/2016 14:43

It's like MNetters are falling over themselves to show how right on they are in celebrating a Muslim mayor.

It would appear OP that you're more like your in-laws than you know.

Lweji · 09/05/2016 14:44

London is the home of the liberal left elite who see islam as their saviour against Capitalism

To ask if it's a good thing that London has a Muslim mayor
LookJustCancelTheCheque · 09/05/2016 14:44

That question was on the tip of my tongue, Bertrand. I await the answer with interest.

123lekl · 09/05/2016 14:44

hope things will turn out fine but I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't. He's a muslim first, a mayor of London second.

I honestly give up....... Sad The amount of ignorance blatant racism and scaremongering on this thread makes me terribly sad (and cross)

SheHasAWildHeart · 09/05/2016 14:46

Sadiq on the nikab/hijab: "“When I was younger you didn’t see people in hijabs and niqabs, not even in Pakistan when I visited my family. In London we got on. People dressed the same. What you see now are people born and raised here who are choosing to wear the jilbab or niqab. There is a question to be asked about what is going on in those homes. What’s insidious is if people are starting to think it is appropriate to treat women differently or that it has been forced on them. What worries me is children being forced to adopt a lifestyle.”

“There is no other city in the world where I would want to raise my daughters than London. They have rights, they have protection, the right to wear what they like, think what they like, to meet who they like, to study what they like, more than they would in any other country.”

123lekl · 09/05/2016 14:46

would appear OP that you're more like your in-laws than you know.

Precisely!

Lweji · 09/05/2016 14:47

SheHasAWildHeart

What an utter sexist bastard.