To think that junior doctors shouldn't strike

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They're fucking PROFFESSIONALS, and they are endangering people's health because they want a fucking PAY RISE!! Am I unreasonable to think that if they respected people's health more, then people would respect THEM more and maybe pay them more!! I mean, no emergency cover? What are you supposed to do if you have an appt booked for that day? Wait another six weeks?? I think the junior doctors really need to buck their ideas up....

Yabu.

If nothing else it's their democratic right.

..but maybe you are right that if they didn't strike so much then people would respect them more. I mean, FFS, the dust has hardly settled after their last strike only 40 years ago. Load of slackers.

Oh dear when will people look at the facts rather than the drivel that the media put out there because they're scared of the govt.
Pay is probably the last thing on their mind and with this new contract, they'll actually be losing money no matter how it is dressed as a 'pay rise'.
I know plenty of JD's and wholeheartedly support them. It'll be the people whinging about the strikes now that complain that medical insurance and private care are so expensive when the NHS has been privatised.

Don't fear, your mate Lanchester will be along to back you up shortly. Lolz.

Ah, thank you, other posters, for restoring my faith in humanity.

In simple terms

Hi Jeremy! Nice try but most of us here are too well educated to believe your nonsense.

Oh and by the way, until you make these people work 7 day contracts as the norm instead of having skeleton services at evenings/weekends then not a huge amount will change:
Phlebotomists
Radiologists
Receptionists
Note-collectors
Personal Assistants
Consultant Secretaries
Pharmacists
Occupational Therapists
Physiotherapists
Waiting list co-ordinators
Admin Managers
Dietitians

But hey, let's all slag off the doctors shall we?

How much have you actually read about this subject before sprouting off? Go educte yourself and then come back to us. They are being forced to take a paycut which Jeremy hunt has hidden in what looks like a payrise. In fact they will be thousands less of. It isn't onlyy about this it's about safety of patients. There is no way of ensuring junior doctors are not working all hours and therefore exhausted.
Also it's about ensuring we keep our doctors for the future. With this contract many doctors will be much worse of than their peers in other professions but yet have much more responsibility with peoples lives in their hands. I think pay should reflect this. If pay doesn't reflect this our doctors will emigrate to Australia or the likes (we are already losing lots of A&E doctors to Oz due to better working Conditions). Then who will treat us, when we don't have any doctors!

Also for your lack of knowledge on available care- my friend was in hospital today for emergency surgery and had 3 consultants looking after her. I think the NHS is doing a fantastic job. It's not our health care workers we need to be looking at - it's Jeremy hunt and his cronies

FFS. YABU and a fucking idiot to boot. They aren't striking for a pay rise. They are striking to prevent Jeremy Cunt extending their working hours to the point they fall asleep at the operating table or whilst writing a prescription and potentially endanger patient safety.

YABVU. They are doing us all a favour

Also it isn't the junior doctors who don't work weekends. It's the consultants - junior doctors are the ones who work all hours at the weekend covering. It's also lack of other services at weekend such as MRI scans that are failing our weekend service. However skewed stats are being thrown around by the Tories as on a day by day bases it is Wed which has worst results.

How do people think you can effectively split 5 doctors into 7 without adding any more doctors, cutting pay and patient safety and think it's reasonable?!

LOL and

Actually can I have the biscuit back? I took some to the picket line today and fancy one myself now.

OP, where are you?

I hope you're off doing some reading on the subject.

I suspect that this is the issue with the dispute. Jeremy Hunt has surrounded himself with "yes men" and is hoping for a glorious "miners strike" moment a la Thatcher as are most of these baby tories. Stuff of their dreams.

Seriously? It's not about a payrise it's about JeremyCunt.

You are being VU
They only want to be paid properly, respected, and not to be working when they are so tired they cannot think straight.
There are very strict rules about how long a lorry driver can stay at the wheel, how long his breaks must be, how long he must rest before he may drive again, how many consecutive days he may drive without a break. These are for everyone's safely on the roads.
We do not have similar, functioning safety laws in place to protect doctors from being forced to work stupid shifts, where they become dangerously tired.
Yes, they are professionals - not slaves!
They are voting with their feet, and emigrating.

I don't think that OP understands what the strike is about...

You are sadly misinformed. It isn't about pay. It's about Jeremy Hunt wanting doctors to work up to 70 hours a week. It isn't safe, or fair. What would you rather, the doctors plan a strike for which there is cover by consultants? Or be treated by an overworked overtired Doctor who makes a grave error while treating you?

YABVVVU.
If it were really about the money, why on earth would these doctors still be working for the NHS in England. They could earn far far more elsewhere. In fact some of them could earn more in England working the same hours in KFC. If it were primarily about their money, why on earth would they not have gone on strike in the last 40 years. These doctors treasure the NHS and want to do everything they can to stop Hunt pulling it to pieces and handing the bits over to private companies. These doctors are trying to protect patient safety. The reason so many of the public support them is that they recognise a very real threat to the NHS as well. (In addition to feeling so grateful to the NHS staff (all of them) who still manage to provide such a fantastic service in conditions that are getting worse all the time.

They are having their pay cut.

I'm embarrassed for you.

I despair, OP. I really, really do. I wish people in this country would read a little more widely and educate themselves a little more before forming their opinions. Hopefully you've read the excellent responses you've been given and now understand the complexities of the dispute.

Hopefully the OP is reading something a little more than a Daily Mail headline:

They're fucking PROFFESSIONALS,

It is because they are professionals and care about patient safety that they are striking.

and they are endangering people's health

Everything has been covered by senior doctors, mainly consultants. No patients have been put at risk.

because they want a fucking PAY RISE!!

No, they don't. They don't want an overall 30% pay cut for working more hours, that's true, but they've not asked for a pay rise.

Am I unreasonable to think that if they respected people's health more, then people would respect THEM more and maybe pay them more!!

Doctors are consistently the most trusted and respected profession in studies! (Much, much more than politicians!)

I mean, no emergency cover?

There is emergency cover, just not provided by juniors between 8-5 today (and now things are back to normal. The consultants, associate specialists, staff grades, and specialty doctors have been out in force.

What are you supposed to do if you have an appt booked for that day? Wait another six weeks??

A lot of out-patient clinics have gone ahead today. A number of people attending out-patients spoke to me very supportively on the picket lines today as they attended their appointments. (Only one woman was rude out of everyone who spoke to us today.)

I think the junior doctors really need to buck their ideas up....

Thankfully it sounds like you don't have a clue what is really the issue here. Perhaps if you read around, you'll see that the main issue is patient safety and how the NHS and the principle of "free at the point of delivery" is being eroded. Junior doctors are trying to protect patients (don't forget that a lot of us are both doctors and patients!)

oh fuck up