To wonder what kids do for ID these days?

[Namechangingchameleon]

Back in the day when I wanted to go pubbing and clubbing underage, clutching a battered copy of my older cousin's birth certificate would suffice.

With the advent of Challenge 25 and the need for photo ID what does a 16 year old do now? Do they just not bother? I don't have kids so wouldn't know.

And don't get all judgey pants please. I'm mid 40s and most of my peers were out underage back in the late 80s. I remember a huge group of us in a night club celebrating our GCSE results.

We used to find someone who looked vaguely like us and borrow their photo Id.. But nowadays they have these scanners which blow up your face on the screen so I guess it's harder to get away with

I'm 22 and I couldn't get away with it before 18. We just drank at mates houses because getting out was too difficult.

Ds1 is 18 and they couldn't go anywhere if asked for id as its much stricter. No one will lend passports or driving licence.

Now he's 18 he has his passport and driving licence most of the time he gets stopped for is but his 17yr old girlfriend walks straight through.

It always was easier for girls than boys. I never used fake id as never got asked

Not sure what a 16 yr old does, but at 17+ it's provisional driving license, or failing that - passport!

I never needed fake ID. Only got refused a couple of times when I was underage. And I went out a lot.

Depends how determined they are to get in somewhere. My DD just didn't go to age restricted places. The embarrassment of getting caught out and refused entry in front of loads of people was too much for her!. I know a lots of lads that borrow their old brothers ID though, so it is doable.

I dont think I ever took ID out with me and I was probably about 15!

Oh I mis worded the title really, should have been:

"What do kids use for ID if they want to go to a pub/club underage"

I was never ID'd when I was younger but I know my cousins son uses an older friends passport & some of the friends have fake ID's

You can get a provisional driving license at 16 (because you could start with a moped).

A lot of kids round here, that are only 16 or 17, go to a Chinese restaurant, that has a dance floor. It's one of these eat all you can for tenner and then they put the disco on at 11'ish. If they're sitting at a table eating food, they can have a drink at 17, so that's how they get away with it.

Obviously it'll SAY you are 16... Useful for getting into 15 films I guess...

Young Scot card is issued to all children and has a hologram for children over 16 I think.

Here in Scotland, kids can get Young Scot cards as proof of age. I don't know if it's the same everywhere but round here they get them just before they start secondary school and they're valid until the age of 25.

We used to apply for a NUS card using fake details and use that to get into clubs (back in the 90s). It was so easy .

It must be a nuisance for British teenagers wanting to get into venues that are 14+ - which is quite a lot of music venues - or who need proof of age or ID for any other reason.

We have national ID cards here. Easier and cheaper to replace than a passport, if they go astray. DD14 has one that she keeps in her purse, and I wish I could get one too.

Never mind the poor teenz, what about us middle aged women?

A couple of months ago I had to leave behind a bottle of Chateauneuf de Pape in M&S because aged 41 I don't carry ID, fake or real.

Their policy is once challenged, no ID means no sale. The supervisor explained that very politely as the two of us giggled and ribbed the poor checkout lad - young enough to be my son - and showed him my grey roots! I did make a point of telling his supervisor that he'd been very polite!

I have taken my nieces (14 and 17) to a few over 14s gigs recently and not had any issues. Don't know if it's really a big issue for teenagers - it certainly isn't for them.

To be clear - this isn't strictly about "ID" is it? It's about having some tick box proof of age, generally facilitated by an identity document.

I was afforded the happy freedom to go mostly unchallenged in my youth; certainly no-one demanded to see my paperwork. I feel sorry for young folks these days.

It must depend where you live and where your DC go. My 18 yr old DS has no ID, except his passport with a photo of him from years ago, and has never been asked for any! I presume he'll get a student card when he starts university in the Autumn. (If they still have student cards)

I'm 33 and remember scanning my birth certificate to change the birth year and reprint it never had the guts to use it though and it looked terribly fake

I did however lie on my NUS card when I was 16 and told them I was born 1980 and not 82. That helped for a couple of years as the college NUS person never checked - you just turned up with proof you were on a course there and a passport photo.

Just much more difficult now. So they don't bother trying. A lot of places ID you to even cross the door, not just when serving. If you aren't drinking, you still can't go in.

We never had fake ID just chanced it and were successful say 60-65% of the time. If we failed we just went to the park someones house and drank their parents stash...

If challenged you often used to be able to talk your way out of it, that's gone now.

I think teens are often less successful now- and Fake IDs have to be more 'professional' to work so they cost more/bring teens in closer contact with properly dodgy people.

The teens I know don't want to go out drinking under age (or even after turning 18), they would rather go for a Starbucks of an afternoon instead. Night clubs are closing due to lack of business.

DD is a mature looking 14 and in the very recent past has needed ID for buying a reduced price train fare, and for getting into things on an under 15 rate on holiday (hadn't yet got her national ID card, she got away with using her EHIC card for this).

Usually she needs to to prove how young she is not how old. I'd be nervous about her walking around with a passport.