To ask if you've all heard about TTIP?

[GooseberryRoolz]

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

Thank you Pausing I'll sign up and read up on this.

1. Ageing. The population is TOO HIGH already, and has been too high for at least two decades, because of mass immigration under Tony Blair in the 90s and before. Some of those people are now 65.

1. No employer will employ illegally and deduct tax & NI. The fine is very high.

1. Refugees do indeed work illegally while paperwork is being sorted out, but that sort of work is low-paid and covert. Therefore they do not contribute to the purse.

1. A significant number of non-European refugees never achieve a reasonable standard of English. Add to this, some are very mono-cultural and feel very uncomfortable working alongside white Europeans. I do understand this (my father is Pakistani), but it seems to me it is incumbent on every newcomer to give 100% to their new life.

1. Some of the women from non-European countries are not permitted by their husbands to go out to work. When the children come along they remain at home and tend never to seek work once the children are at secondary school. So, on the one hand, we have the govt encouraging & pushing British women to return to work (because the Treasury needs their tax) while the child is very young, but other women from a different culture are never pushed to go to work.

I am speaking of non-EC, non-European persons.

The problem with 38 degrees is that they keep referring to it as a "dodgy trade deal" and making big issues of it being worked on "in secret". All trade agreements are negitated in "secret".

So far there have been 900 amendments to TTIP and the discussions are on going. You'd have to be one of the tin foil hat brigade to think the the EU are going to throw away a very strong position of negotiation.

"mass immigration under Tony Blair in the 90s and before."

Immigration went up in the UK after 2004 which is 12 years ago. Tony Blair was only PM for the last two and a half years of the 90s btw. You don't know what you are talking about. EU immgrants make up about 27% of all immigrants to the country.

Your discussion of non-EU immigration is neither here nor there, this will not be effected by membership of the European Union.

I find it quite funny that someone so uninformed feels able to comment on these complicated issues.

Older Refugees in the UK

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/assets/0001/7053/Older_refugees_workingpaper.pdf

Do you know how many refugees we have living in this country? 117,234.

Don't be ridiculous Lurked. Please.

I've dug out an old MN thread on TTIP, where another poster explains more about it (she's broadly pro).

Aibu to be vvv scared of TTIP?

Some of my criticisms of TTIP on that thread are now out of date, because the ISDS part is currently suspended. But it's an informative thread.

And I agree with the poster on it that the devil is in the detail, and any trade deal has to be scrutinised very carefully and critically.

That proves nothing dear, its not particularly relevent either, you've just googled a document and tried to find something, anything that you think might back your point.

Tell me the main findings of that paper? and how AGE CONCERN are saying that older refugees are costing us billions and over burdening services?

As said before the size of the refugee population is negligible AND you are conflating refugees with EU freedom of movement migrants.

Only 0.24% of the UK population are Refugees

( Source www.star-network.org.uk/index.php/refugees/facts_figures)

Not being ridiculous.

In 2014, the UK received 25,020 asylum applications.
60% of all of these claims were initially refused, with only 28% of refused asylum seekers making successful appeals.
The UK currently hosts 117,161 Refugees, 36,383 Asylum Seekers and 16 stateless people.

You are a right old xenophobe, and you cannot back up your opinions with facts.

You've made a TTIP thread about immigration.

The birth rate has a far larger effect on population size than net migration. The number of people with 3,4,5 children complaining about over population is truly staggering. If the country is so overpopulated then why don't we try to stop popping quite so many babies out for a bit, rather than refusing entrance to people who are already alive and in need of help?

2. No employer will employ illegally and deduct tax & NI. The fine is very high.

And yet.

3. Refugees do indeed work illegally while paperwork is being sorted out, but that sort of work is low-paid and covert. Therefore they do not contribute to the purse.

Actually the ones I knew were doing care work. So they were saving the public purse quite a lot of money - ironically by helping reduce the load on the NHS (as good care work does) and by keeping the care home fees low, as paid by the unsuspecting local authority.

It's not what one would wish for - I'd rather not have illegal employment in any sector. But accusing the individual workers of not contributing is just not true. In fact, since their refugee status came through, they have continued to contribute in the same sector.

Also take a look at Full Fact, who are trying to fact-check all sides' referendum claims.

They say they are entirely non-partisan and don't care how you vote, and want to look at every side of the argument and present the facts so that you can make up your own mind.

So far they seem to be doing this diligently.

They could do with a bit more cash, if anyone fancies helping them.

Of course a large number of refugees are already married with children - the men make the journey alone and once they have their applications approved they then send for the rest of their families. I worked in social housing and can think off the top of my head of dozens of single men who were given accommodation in one bedroom flats who then had to be moved to larger properties because their families joined them. So yes, you are correct CuttheWaffle.

TTIP links USA and the EU. And will that clause agreeing to the free movement of people from USA be written into the Transatlantic TIP?

I think Merkel is getting EU ready for TTIP! Check this out

Germany To Strip Job Protection From Citizens To Make Room For Refugees. New “integration” reforms will remove worker protections from European Union and German citizens so refugees can compete with them for jobs.

dailycaller.com/2016/04/14/germany-to-strip-job-protection-from-citizens-to-make-room-for-refugees/#ixzz45vT3Wy9D

Might be true, might not be. Are we supposed to assume it is fabrication just because you tell us it is?

Where is your proof it is inaccurate?

I have no idea if it is right or not but because of your sense of your own superior intellect you have no doubt that because it doesn't suit your agenda it must be a fabrication. Entitled much?