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Deranged runners in public spaces....

285 replies

SoHereItIs2016 · 13/03/2016 19:51

I am genuinely interested in other people's opinions following a really unpleasant experience when out with my two kids and DP yesterday.

So we have membership to a local, but national attraction. It is a very large outdoor type of space which people generally go to to walk, take kids, picnic, and walk dogs. The layout is in two halves so in one side nog dogs are allowed at all and hence the other half is where you find the dogs.

For info no bikes or scooters etc allowed.

We were about half way round the dog walking half and as we had gone late in the day it was very quiet and we could see in front and behind quite far. We have a 6 month old toy breed puppy ( eg very small) who has no aggressive or overtly bothersome behaviours, we are in the process of completing her off lead training, which is why we went late and only let her off in the parts of the attraction where we had good visibility, not wishing to be in any way a nuisance to others.

So all of a sudden a runner emerged AT HIGH SPEED from the trees, not from main path, as he hurtled towards us both DP and I tried to put her back on lead as well as get the kids out of this mans way as it was fairly obvious he was not going to be sensible and actually slow down/ alter his path so that we could all pass sensibly.

As he approached he the. Started shouting at us to put dog back on lead as by this point she had started trunking over to this fast moving object who was shouting and flapping his hand about. At no point did she jump up, bark, growl or do anything whatsoever other than trundle along next to him. The verbal abuse then escalated to the point she this man was swearing and literally screaming at us all the while still trying to run....please note he was not being impeded in his run in any way.....

Eventually my DP by this time rather peed off with all the shouting and swearing in front of our kids shouted back very firmly to him to STOP running so we could put dog back in lead if this is what he wanted.....man went ballistic carried in verbally abusing me/DP and at one point literally launched himself over out dog due to having distracted himself off his own path.....

Whole,episode was really upsetting and both kids by now in tears, dog shaking like a leaf etc.

Now my AIBU is really why do people undertaking timed/ serious sports use public places where to encounter even the possibility of a hold up is going to cause them immense rage/distress/or where they are so 'in the zone' they lose the ability to be a. Rational human being.

It seems to be happening more and more recently, with runners coming at us en masse. In addition to this last incident we have had a few near misses recently where groups of runners have literally forced my young DC off the road....

I appreciate that we all have the right to use the roads, pavements and public spaces but ultimately they are not sports arenas or running tracks, there are designated places for that which I for example wouldn't go to walk the dog or take the kids to play, realising that the two uses do not mix, and often the person coming at you at speed seems to feel that their right to peruse their sporting goals trumps everyone else's right to quiet enjoyment of the public and open spaces.

And just to make it clear the dog was at no point engaging in aggressive, or disruptive behaviour, she was just trundling along faulty bemused by the shouting flapping jumping man!!!!

OP posts:
kawliga · 13/03/2016 20:41

YANBU. You are obviously sensible and responsible in how you handle your dog.

But you should be aware that there are MANY twattish dog-owners out there. The flappy runner has no doubt encountered them many times in his running life and assumed (wrongly) that you were one of them. I think the push-back on sensible dog-owners is caused by the huge number of twattish dog-owners out there. This runner has probably met too many owners who think it's ok for their dogs to jump him because 'they won't hurt him and they only want to play'.

Of course it was wrong for him to make that assumption and shout at you especially with dc around.

abbsismyhero · 13/03/2016 20:42

so he came flying out of nowhere and began to flap and fuss which usually attracts dogs (and to be honest small children) i have small children the FIRST thing i teach my children is to not screech flap or fuss around dogs they stand statue still and i stand in front of them in case the dog IS attacking its common sense surely?

op from your post sounds like yanbu he has an issue with dogs and should have possibly jogged on the other side? i wouldn't be running in any area where dogs are its common sense

SoHereItIs2016 · 13/03/2016 20:42

But running please tell me should Incare if he is 'doing a race' does that cancel out any need for good sense of normal socially Acceptanle behaviour?

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Ubik1 · 13/03/2016 20:42

As for those posters who suggest all fast running should be done on a track - you really don't get it, do you?!

Nope Hmm

Iggi999 · 13/03/2016 20:42

If I stop when I'm running I would never get started again. I wouldn't stop for your dog unless it was hurt. I wouldn't swear at you either but I'd like you to catch your dog and hold it till I passed.

Foginthehills · 13/03/2016 20:43

OP you say that you're interested in other's views. Yet you counter any alternative go your view. You're not really "genuinely interested" are you?

For that, YABU.

BippityBoppityBullshit · 13/03/2016 20:43

abbsismyhero statue still. Bing fan? Grin

SoHereItIs2016 · 13/03/2016 20:45

They call. Just to clarify, the dog was attracted to his shouting and flapping ( just for the record he was also carrying a sweatshirt or something which was also flapping around- deliberately- any person with half a brain knows that if you want to capture a dogs attention this is exactly the right behaviour to do just that. He had no need or right to behave as he did and the dog, as I have previously said, has to date shown little interest in 'things' as she has been really really well socialised, not just by us, but also by our professional dog trainer AND our dog walker!!! But he really was deranged and being a dog I suppose wanted to know what the hell all the fuss was about!

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Oldraver · 13/03/2016 20:45

A few months ago I came across a nutty woman running on the road with a pushchair. She was running toward me on my side of the road, I saw her ahead and thought..oh she will move onto the pavement but she just kept coming. There was a car coming the other way so I had no choice to stop and she stopped in front of me and waved her arms for me to go round her. I was just really bemused.

Spudlet · 13/03/2016 20:46

You can run fast away from a track. But if you expect to be able to do so in public without encountering others and therefore potentially have to stop running flat out in order not to bulldoze people, you are a pillock.

exLtEveDallas · 13/03/2016 20:47

Oh please. How exactly are you supposed to train a dog to recall off lead, without actually letting it off lead?

It would be like learning to drive a car by sitting in the passenger seat Grin

OP did everything right - took her dog to a dog friendly space, waited until later in the day so there would be fewer distractions and commenced to train her dog

How was she to know some running loon was going to burst out of the bushes? Why on earth didn't he run in the area where no dogs were allowed if a dog was going to cause him so much angst?

llhj · 13/03/2016 20:47

Runners are so dull when they talk about running to non runners. That's all I have to say on the matter. Dullsville.

Doyouthinktheysaurus · 13/03/2016 20:47

I can see runners are as popular on MN as cyclists areGrin

I do both, should I get my coatWink

SoHereItIs2016 · 13/03/2016 20:48

Spudlet- well said 😁

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purplepandas · 13/03/2016 20:48

As a runner who was out today, he was fuckwit. Of course he should have slowed down. There is also no need to be so unpleasant (him not you). Sorry your DC had to see this op.

SoHereItIs2016 · 13/03/2016 20:49

Anyhow, today we went back out and re-commenced training near to the local sewage works..........haha! Funnily met no runners there....

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LaPharisienne · 13/03/2016 20:49

I am laughing so hard at this thread - what a douchebag that runner was! But he had every right to be there...just not to be a knob in it. I'd just file this whole thing under public space, obligation to get along with other members of the general public etc.

To Wizwo and the other posters who defend his right to be afraid of a dog off the lead, do you know how small a toy breed puppy is?!

Lol at the outrage expressed

Spudlet · 13/03/2016 20:50

I run, accompanied by my off-lead dog, in public, AND I cycle...

MadeMan · 13/03/2016 20:50

Was he one of those really skinny running blokes. Whenever I see skinny people running I often wonder if they will eventually run themselves away into thin air.

Less cardio, skinny peeps; more beefing up!

Oysterbabe · 13/03/2016 20:50

It still hurts when a small dog bites you.
I have an ankle scar to prove it.

SoHereItIs2016 · 13/03/2016 20:51

Thanks to everyone who has been nice/kind........to be honest I posted this as I wanted/ needed to vent it a bit. Both my kids were crying yesterday and it completely ruined what would have been a nice afternoon. My eldest actually pulled his coat right up,over his head whilst it was going on and took ages to calm him down as it was quite a scary scene.

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5madthings · 13/03/2016 20:51

He sounds like he over reacted but your dog should have come back when called.

Someone from a running group I am.in is currently in hospital with a broken elbow after being knocked over by two dogs when running.

Today I went to a restaurant thst is situated at an outdoor area where kids play, people walk dogs etc. We chose it as dh could drive right up to it and park as I am currently 37wks preg and on crutches, when we came out of the restaurant two big dogs came running up to me, they were waist height on me and started pawing at me and licking my hands! They were friendly but I am allergic to dogs so didn't want slobbered on and as I am heavily pregnant and in crutches I was really worried about being knocked over. I simply stood still and called to the owner (who was sat on a bench) and asked him to call his dogs to heel please. He then ranted and said he hoped my children would go play in a road and get run over.... so there are horrible people in all walks of life some with dogs, some without. I have chalked it up as one of those things! I suggest you do the same!

theycallmemellojello · 13/03/2016 20:54

Erp, well, like I say I'm not a dog owner, but I had no idea that "flapping" in a public place made it fine for dogs to chase me (or even that it would make them do so). Not everyone knows about dog behaviour. I'd be alarmed if even a small dog ran up to me.

I'm also not a jogger, but I have to say that I wouldn't be bothered if a jogger ran out into my path - so long as he didn't actually collide with me. If I was having a stroll I'd expect to stop for a jogger crossing my path rather than vice versa. It wouldn't occur to me to think about who had the right of way - it's just obviously harder to stop if you're going fast. However, I can understand that he might have popped out and scared you.

To me, it seems like this is six of one and half a dozen of the other. He had a right not to be chased and I'm not convinced that he waived that right by carrying a flappy bit of fabric. But he should not have shouted or sworn.

kawliga · 13/03/2016 20:56

any person with half a brain knows that if you want to capture a dogs attention this is exactly the right behaviour to do just that.

Changed my mind. I think you revealed your true colours with that remark. You ARE a twattish dog-owner, masquerading as a reasonable person. YABVVVU.

The hallmark of utter TWATS with dogs is that they think people who don't want to be jumped on by their dogs are brainless and stupid. No respect at all for other people. Also they think everyone should be an expert on dog behaviour. YABVVU to say 'any person with half a brain' about a runner who had the misfortune to encounter you.

I thought you sounded sensible in your OP, but now I see that the runner had the measure of you. You obviously hold him in contempt.

exLtEveDallas · 13/03/2016 20:57

Why do people keep saying 'jogger'? It says quite clearly in the OP that the man was running at HIGH SPEED and came out of the trees 'hurtling' towards them.

That doesn't sound like any 'jogger' I've ever seen (or been, to be fair)