Disability cuts

[Springsummer123]

Name changed as obviously sensitive subject and don't want to put myself .i possibly don't know enough on this so am interested in other views . I may have only seen a small percentage - I'm insure ?
I have 2 sisters . One has had a stroke .which had devestated the family . She is quite well off yet has been upset she will loose a benifit that I believe is for her husband being her carer . Ok discussion to try to ease her fears it's very clear they don't need it . They can afford all care , holidays good standard of living on her payout . Number of property's all fully owned out right . Yet she thinks she should get it as some sort of compensation for the stroke .i can see why she would be angry with life but she doesn't need the money ? Surely it's right to be cut ?
My second sister works with adults with autism . She was saying they are struggling to spend the last part of their money entitlement before the next claim . I know they have holidays etc and their is still money over ( my sister accompanied many times )
So I'm wondering in some cases should the disability benifits be cut ?

Potatoface in our family of four we have 3 who work and me. I'm disabled. The most stressful time this year, for any of us, was the waiting for my face to face assessment for PIP. DH and I spent the whole time the woman was here in tears. Almost 8 weeks later, I still don't have a decision. I almost shit myself everyday when the post comes.

I've spent this afternoon in bed with yet another migraine brought on by the stress of today's news. I would get a job tomorrow if it meant my body worked again, if my pain got better, if I could dress myself, if I could actually go out alone. But it won't. I can't be fixed.

People like you have absolutely no idea.

believe me working is not a luxury....its what people do to support their families and to give them the best they can achieve.....if it was a luxury i would love it but i dont

We're being assessed unfairly. The assessors are lying. They are disagreeing with our doctors, consultants, surgeons, all manner of professionals who actually know us and who know how our disabilities affect us.

There's so much wrong with the system. It's cruel, inhumane and degrading.

im not going to defend myself because the non workers of this country will never agree with the tax paying workers

At what point will you realise that it isn't tax payers v non tax payers? Or that many disabled people do or used to pay tax themselves?

disabled people deserve every penny they get, but there is nothing wrong in being assessed for this

No one is arguing there shouldn't be an initial assessment at the point of first claim, based on the medical evidence provided by specialists in the condition. What most of us object to is having to repeatedly prove that we/our loved ones are "still" disabled, despite having been diagnosed with lifetime or degenerative conditions that simply don't improve. What's that if it's not a pointless and profligate exercise?

I don't know anyone who wants to work who doesn't.

I know people who volunteer because jobs aren't available.

I know people who are too disabled to work, either physically and/or mentally who cannot, whether that be due to lack of support, funding, resources, jobs, employers prepared to take them on.

There will never be enough work/jobs for everyone. There will never be enough support, funding, resources, employers etc.

I could go on. But what's the point.

Being fit and well enough to work is a luxury actually and it's not something anyone should take for granted.

Potato I think if you simply stopped at "I have no empathy" you'd save yourself a lot of typing.

potato

It is a luxury if you fit the criteria for claiming any out of work disibility benefits.

However the vast majority of people on this thread are talking about a benefit that working people can claim even higher rate tax payers.

i myself have been hospitalised after being severly depressed....trying to kill myself and self harming....i find that working gives me something else to focus on now that i am well

Lucky you that you got better and can work now. So your depression was real and debilitating, but you believe that other people who are depressed are faking it?

Have you actually forgotten that you just said

people who are disabled ( not the bad back, im ill, im depressed, or their carers who are in on the con) really have no worrys about this

or are you just willfully obtuse and self-contradictory?

Wilfully FGS. Why is my phone "correcting" it to willfully?

I work full time for a charity, who amongst other projects support people to help them claim disability related benefits
I also am entitled to DLA myself (lifetime award) and will have to claim PIP when I get transferred over
The thought of possibly losing this extra money terrifies me - I only just manage to cope now
People without disabilities don't understand the extra costs attached for many of us
I am lucky that I can work, but only because I have very understanding employers, can work flexible hours, work from home whenever I need to, and have an agreement with them that any medical appointments or time off sick related to my disability does not count against me in anyway
If with funding cuts etc I lose my job, which is very likely within next 2 years, I will struggle to work at all in a different role or for someone else - please note this is not because I don't want to work
If I end up in this situation, and anyone suggests that I am a scrounger, idle etc - I may be less polite to OP than some others on here

I don't know where to start with Potato's ignorant brainfart. I'm not sure what's bugging me the most, the complete lack of empathy, the ignorance, the brainfart of posts as a whole or the excessive use of ...... Every three words.

We claim DLA for my son. I had to give up a well paid, professional job to care for him. My husband works 12 hour rotating day/night shifts, until my sons difficulties became apparent I worked full time in a very stressful job. We 'proved' (urgh!) his disability when we first claimed two years ago, pages of SALT, OT, CAMHS, School, IEPs, PEAD reports. I've spent today filling in his renewal claim form, I'll have to send all the same reports again, the school SENCO will be contacted again despite her sending a report, the form is soul destroying.

I wasn't aware they had found a cure for Autism and Sensory processing disorder in the last two years oh wait, they haven't. I wasn't aware services for children with ASC or CAMHS were well so well funded that my son will have access to and 'Improve overnight' oh wait, they haven't, in-fact, they've been cut to the bone, there is no support

There is a two year wait for CAMHS and Autism assessment in my area, two years.

Potato look out, your inner twat is showing.

Pull the ladder up, much?

Yes, work is a fucking luxury. It would give me the space to be myself rather than be spending the time doing things I can't do when the kids are home from school because it's unsafe, mending or replacing broken stuff, taking them to medical appointments, doing endless reams of paperwork and catching up on a couple of hours' sleep because two of them don't sleep properly...

Then there's the constant medical appointments I have myself now.

You get breaks. Annual leave. Bliss. Set hours.

exWifebeginsat40 Sat 12-Mar-16 15:47:54
I live on benefits - ESA support group, higher rate Care PIP, lower rate mobility. however, to look at me you wouldn't see most of the reasons I get these benefits or understand that I'm disabled.

I bring in a spectacular, giddy £800 a month. I get housing benefit but of course it doesn't cover my rent. along with my bills (live alone, 2 cats obviously!) it's very difficult to make ends me

hi ex,dont mean to sound rude but have you had a benefit check as im in the support group and enhanced care pip but dont get mobility but im getting more than £800 a month,it sounds like your not getting all your entitled to

Potap123 I started the original thread and you are right it could have been much worse. It is really good to hear that many people responded to the original consultation and contacted their MP's etc. The government deliberately held the consultation mainly during the Christmas and New Year period in the hope less people would respond.

so how is this going to work

will live claims be re-called and looked at again

will it firstly affect new claims then renewals

i thought the whole point of bringing in Pip was to bring it up to date and save money,it seems now Pip has lots of flaws (in their opinion) they wont be happy till the carcass is stripped

I wouldn't get wound up by potato. The whole 'I agree with unpopular opinion' post, followed by the 'Ahaha, but actually I myself am one of the minority my previous post slandered' one is pretty classic goadiness.

And funnily enough, is exactly the sort of thing that gets useful threads shut down when people lose their tempers.

Seaside sally anyone claiming pip for the first time or a renewal or reporting a change if circumstances ie disability improved/ declined will be assessed with the new point system.

Sorry from January 2017.

SeasideSally They don't like pip because it isn't working " like it was supposed to " ie more people than they anticipated are entitled to pip.

Yanbu. I mean everyone knows disability is a lifestyle choice. And seeing disabled people with any quality of life will just spur people on to aquire debilitating disabilities in order to get benefits. Not to mention all those parents that have the luck of a disabled child and can claim 1p an hour carers allowance. And I'm horrified by the post of adults with autism going on holiday, what do they think they are, humans with an equal right to a quality of life? They should have considered that before deciding to be autistic. I wish I had serious health problems too, who wouldn't.

But nevermind op, we'll soon have workhouses and asylums back. Heil Cameron.

Hitler had a similar line in propaganda about the cost of supporting the most vulnerable too. But we as a nation don't have any excuses either for not knowing about it or for not challenging it like most of the German population did.

Potato your post nicely displays your ignorance. Many people on DLA/PIP are taxpayers. In fact, DLA (I dunno about PIP because the criteria for that seem bizarre) probably meant a lot of disabled people could work for a living, because they got the help with mobility and daily living needs that made that possible.

If you snatch that away, many disabled people may have to STOP work. And paying taxes.

Potatoface2. Potato for a face and a potato for a brain.

DLA/PIP enables people with disabilities to work in many cases.

potato there is a problem when the people doing the assessing if they know fuck all and lie!
I have spent 2 years fighting for pip after the assessor lied on my forms.
Even though i had pages of medical reports, scans, notes from therapist and 2notes from my bloody gp!
They didn't even contact my primary gp! She lied about things( which i have since found out very common!)and the whole thing has had a severe effect on my mental health.
I find it very difficult talking about my mental health, i can't go into it all. I had notes from gp explaining some things and thankfully the tribunal have since ruled completely in my favour, however i find it extremely difficult talking about past events to strangers! Especially as apparently i don't look like a depressed person i honestly have no idea how to take that comment,.
Also if you've been Given pip and are on other benefits, you're suddenly required to fill in all the same crap you fill in months ago.
I have worked for over a decade, with my health conditions! It was only when i could no longer stand up that i was signed off.
I certainly would swap and happily have a job than have chronic pain headaches, and serious blood condition
I have friends who were awarded dla for life who have been refused pip,they have Autism and one is unable to work they are having to go to a tribunal, makes me sick.