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AIBU school lateness and office staff...

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Splandy · 10/03/2016 10:50

My son was late for school yesterday. On days when my husband isn't at work until the afternoon, he does the morning drop off. I catch up on a bit of sleep until the baby wakes for his morning feed. Yesterday, my husband developed a migraine during the morning and woke me up, telling me I'd have to do the school run. I hadn't fed the baby, so had to rush everything, feed baby, prepare lunch etc. We were at least twenty minutes late. When we walked into the school reception, a member of staff was there and said 'why are you late, mom?'. I found it strange and paused for a moment before saying 'we overslept', as I really didn't want to go through the whole long winded explanation. I've never been asked this before. They just direct you to the lateness record where you can give a reason. I think it's quite rude to ask this in front of everybody, I have no idea who she is and may not want to discuss things in front of loads of other parents. There have been times when reasons for lateness were very personal. Telling her why I'm late doesn't change the fact that I am, and she doesn't note anything down as I still have to fill in the record. It felt like she was just being nosey. I noticed that a dad came in with his children after me and wasn't asked, though have no way of knowing whether he has an agreement to come in later than usual.

This morning, managed to get there late again. Was, again, unavoidable. Baby managed to throw up over three outfits, got poo up his back... All went wrong. We were less than a minute late. My son stood at the bottom of the playground and didn't run up to go in after the line of children. Their policy is that, once the door is closed, that's it. He's told me that children don't even get marked late when that happens because they hav not taken the register by the time they get in there. So I took him to the office, and this member of staff was there again. As we walked in, she put on an incredulous voice and said to my son 'oh, you're late again!' as though trying to make him feel bad about something over which he has no control. We were so 'late' that I walked back home with all of the other parents. She again turned to me and asked why I was late. It really bloody pissed me off. I think the tone of voice she was using was what really got to me. So I gave her a look and said 'because we are'. I probably looked pretty pissed off. She did a bit of an awkward laugh and I walked off to fill in the late record.

Am I being unreasonable? We've only been late this year once before this week, it has unfortunately happened two days in a row. I think publicly asking me why I'm late, which seemed intentionally done to embarrass me, is out of order. I hadn't showered or eaten breakfast or anything, I was out of breath from bloody running and generally feeling irritable. I really don't know whether I was unreasonable to give her an explanation.

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caitlinohara · 10/03/2016 11:28

YANBU, it sounds heavy handed to me. I would have got in there with an apology first though. If I saw a member of staff I would get in first with an "I'm sooo sorry we're late" before they had the chance to be arsey. I think if you are regularly late then clearly something needs to be addressed, tactfully, but not in front of the children.

Splandy · 10/03/2016 11:31

But my reasons for being late are irrelevant (on this thread). I don't see why she needs to ask me when I'm going to fill in the form anyway. She doesn't do anything with that knowledge. We do factor things in with the baby, which is why we're not usually late. I'd already used up all the 'spare time' with the many outfit changes. I don't usually rock up at whatever time I fancy, then turn around and say 'I do have a BABY you know', as though the world revolves around me.

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Viviennemary · 10/03/2016 11:32

Get your act together and be on time. That's the answer. Not a load of excuses.

GooseberryRoolz · 10/03/2016 11:34

A mishap wouldn't dare happen to you would it Viv?

Splandy · 10/03/2016 11:35

The sandwiches were my son's lunch, so he needed to take them with him. My husband usually does his sandwiches. He developed the migraine during the morning and woke me up when he realised he had to go back to bed. And he can't fed the baby, he doesn't have breasts!

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UsernameIncorrect · 10/03/2016 11:35

It doesn't matter if the OP was late because she hadn't had her morning shot of gin or if she was hit by a car outside the school. You don't make a show of someone with a public grilling. Just do your job and provide the pens for the late register.

Astrophe · 10/03/2016 11:40

Quite right Usernameincorrect.

My DH won't even write the reason in the register if we are late. He writes "late". Nobody has ever questioned him!

Splandy · 10/03/2016 11:42

I think I will try to factor in some extra time in the mornings then. I really don't want my son to be embarrassed about being late. Then we can hopefully avoid this. The time I factor in had lessened because the baby's reflux was really improving. He seems to have reverted back to being quite sick over the past few days.

But I still don't understand why she needs to ask why I'm late! I did ignore her this morning and went and filled in the lateness record, which is what I'm supposed to do. I felt very cheeky doing it though. I wouldn't normally have responded like that.

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Ledkr · 10/03/2016 11:43

Oh for goodness sake, of course people are late from time to time, you cannot factor in extra time for unexpected stuff. What self righteousness on Mumsnet these days fgs.
The woman was rude too. Our receptionist just has a little chat with us and sends the child in cheerily.
No need for haughtiness.

Astrophe · 10/03/2016 11:45

This is the same crock of nonsense as fining families who take their child on holiday. The office lady is not your mother. The school is not the child's parent.

starry0ne · 10/03/2016 11:45

I don't understand how it was public when you were 20 minutes late...

My Ds has only ever arrived at that time if he has had Dr's appointment.. No one else was around except office staff...

I think she could of answered it more sensitively esp with babes in arms...

The thing I find with lateness is it does seem to be the same people every day walking to school while I am walking home..These are the people I think need targeting..

UsernameIncorrect · 10/03/2016 11:47

I used to allow 20 minutes extra. If there were no disasters the kids got to watch CBeebies for 20 minutes in their coats with bags on backs.

There's enough guilt involved in parenting, don't accept it from people who have no reason to apply it.

If you're late every day then it would be picked up on and dealt with (not by the receptionist), occasional lateness happens to everyone.

Astrophe · 10/03/2016 11:47

I'm not sure it's relevant Staryone, but in any case, there are always people around our school office- a few parents, staff members, students on errands...

lazyleo · 10/03/2016 11:48

If it was high school and the child is effectively responsible for getting to school on time and doesn't, would it be wrong of the teacher to ask him or her why they are late? Publicly or privately?
If it is primary school and the adult is responsible for timekeeping doesn't the same principle apply?
Perhaps the teacher is a bit rude to ask either parent or child publicly, but to ask the responsible person to step aside / into the office etc to ask is also making it public is it not? And indeed makes into a bigger thing imo.

Just because there is a late book, asking you why you are late doesn't seem unreasonable to me. A simple answer of 'his dad's ill, the wee one had an 'up -the-back-poo', just one of those mornings' would have answered the question. I don't see why you couldn't have called ahead to school when you were 'at least 20 mins late'. Thats quite a significant amount of time to be late.

Unfortunately you just have to feel bad on this occasion, your son was late. You're responsible, you were called on it. It feels shit and you didn't need it when you were having the day you did but really I think yABU. Tomorrow will be a better day, its not easy, we all have days like that.

Ledkr · 10/03/2016 11:49

Op stay away from AIBU its full of perfect people who wait for people to post then launch Into verbal attacks as if you are lucifer himself!

boredofusername · 10/03/2016 11:52

Three times in less than two terms is a lot to be late and 20 minutes late is very late

Seriously? With a young baby and a sick husband on one occasion? I'm early for everything but this comment is ridiculous.

Highsteaks · 10/03/2016 11:53

Are you sure you are only rarely late? We have parents who get most shitty if we pull them up on lateness, and will say 'oh its not like we are often late' when always their kid who has to do the walk of shame through the office, or is the last one left at the end of the day.

I'm a 'late by nature' person but always factor in enough time fornschool, because I know how disruptive late parents are. I would have thought you would have to really.go some.to be over 20 minutes late for school?!

Astrophe · 10/03/2016 11:53

Lazyleo, I think it's quite different. A teacher /staff member has authority over a high school student who makes their own way to school (though I still think there is no need to publicly humiliate anyone, child or otherwise...people who do so are trying to big themselves up).

But the office lady has no authority over another adult, and has no right to treat the OP like a bold child.

SoupDragon · 10/03/2016 11:54

I think you're being over sensitive TBH.

You don't make a show of someone with a public grilling

PMSL. Public grilling! Somewhat OTT.

passmethewineplease · 10/03/2016 11:54

I'm wondering how somebody can allocate time for shit up the back scenarios? How do you plan for that not knowing when the hell it will happen?

OP YANBU. It's twice. Shit happens. You were writing it in the book anyway. She had no need to ask.

Ledkr · 10/03/2016 11:54

Last week we were an hour late.
I had a bad foot and coukd barely walk. Our electric went as a result of some work we were having done, I couldn't find my keys then found them in the ignition so then had a flat battery!!
I then walked her to school which took ages due to my bad foot.
No amount of extra time would have helped me that morning I can tell you.
The receptionist got me a cup of tea while I sat and waited for my dad to come and give me a lift to the hospital.
That is normal behaviour I feel.

SoupDragon · 10/03/2016 11:55

The only thing I am never late for is school. I'm crap at most other things mind you.

carabos · 10/03/2016 11:58

Living next to a primary school, I can see that it is the same parents who are late every day. Some of them are always rushing along, flustered, some are sauntering. Some are men, some are women. I don't know what protocol the school has for registering lateness, but they can't have any sanctions, or if they have, they don't work. Why do they record lateness?

kaitlinktm · 10/03/2016 12:00

If it happens again I would just say "I'd rather just write it in the book thanks" and blank her a bit.

HumphreyCobblers · 10/03/2016 12:01

I am not sure how factoring in extra time would help with a baby being sick. They wouldn't be sick earlier just to fit in with the new schedule. You would just have to sort them out en route instead.

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