Why would someone say this about vaccines? Is it odd?

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Was in a health food shop today and mentioned an ongoing issue I'm having with one of my do.

The man mentioned he thought the biggest thing going wrong with our children was all the vaccines they receive. He said they full of nasties, designed to make people ill.

It could be put down to a man having a pointless rant but why would he say this? Is there any sort of truth in it?

Not the first time I've heard negative things about vaccines.

Now I'm worried about it.

That's a really interesting link Sugar, thanks for that. I hadn't seen the epidemiological data for that outbreak before.

All else aside, if an adult man used this language to me "full of nasties" (wtf? srsly??), doesnt matter if he's spouting Einstein theory of relativity, i would mentally punch him and move on.

OP does it matter? Is there anything you can change? Haven't your kids already been vaccinated?

The only person I knew that was anti vac, was a 'hippie dippie', she didn't vaccinate her children because she believes vac are created by pharmaceutical companies to cause more illness. She also thought that leather sofas smelt of dead cow and insisted all her dc were vegan and told them that McDonald's was somewhere parents only took bold children to

I've lived in places were children are not vaccinated. You know what - they die like flies. Typhoid, polio, TB, diptheria - all such fun. And measles, what a laugh. My dad lost 30% of his hearing to it as a child, his sister lost about 50% and it damaged her eyesight too.

atenco the quick answer to the question of whether vaccines give lifting immunity I'd "probably not", but it's very important to note that vaccines are different. Live ones, like Measles, will probably give longer protection that inactive ones (like most of the childhood ones now), because of a more balanced stimulation of immunity. Duration of protection will also vary between vaccines of a certain "type" as well and this is based on many factors, including mutation of the pathogen, and the emergence of other 'breakout strains' from the selected pressure of the vaccine. Duration of protection, unless quite short, is often unknown for vaccines as the initial lab tests don't always tally with protection in reality for a variety of reasons.

It's also important to note that 'natural' immunity also wears off over time, and many adults are now susceptible to whooping cough for instance. The good news is that as an adult the illness is likely to be milder, to the extent that most adults don't realise it's whooping cough. From a herd immunity point of view you could pass it on to eg a baby, as well as many other bugs, which is why it's always a good idea to wash hands before touching s newborn etc.

10% of the population are carriers for the bacterium that causes Meningitis without it causing problems, the development of invasive disease is more complex than simple exposure.

• life long immunity

Weird autocorrect there!

The more people that are vaccinated, the more likely it is a disease can be eradicated - eg smallpox. If people don't vaccinate, the diseases will always remain or there's the potential for an epidemic. The anti-vaxxers are nuts.

Just one man that died? Well that's OK then.

Anti - vaxxers boil my piss. Selfish fuckers.

I completely didn't say it was OK. I asked a genuine question. Anyhow im not an anti vaxxer so perhaps it wasn't aimed at me - but I asked the question

I am biased obviously as I lost my dd but what I would say is go and speak to a doctor if you are not sure about vaccinations. Don't consult Dr Google because you can come up with everything to suit everyone apart from Public Health Data which is fact

Now when my dd was poorly I spent a long time on Dr Google when I should have been at a&e. I have to live with the fact that I wasted precious time.

To summarise if your child is ill get off the internet and get professional advice.
I wish I had done so

I think that might have been aimed at me pigeonpoo.

I didn't say "just" one man died. I simply said that one man died.

Yes, he had asthma iirc and went to a walk in clinic where he was misdiagnosed and sent home. Very sad.

This is a poem I wrote on Saturday

Last night I saw a special star
It shone so brightly and was near not far
I knew it was you my special girl
Your little face framed with a curl

Tomorrow is Mother's Day Daisy doo
Flowers and a card Mummy will miss too
If I could see your special face
That would be better than flowers or lace

Never mind Mummy will not cave
I'll lay some flowers on your grave
I know you'll pick some daisies for me
In your place above the sea

Daddy is raising funds today
For children like you who went away
He wants to make sure you see
Children don't suffer from awful Men b

Don't walk in my shoes

OP YANBU. I completely understand where you're coming from, as a very similar thing happened to me today - I was at Clarks buying shoes for DD who is just starting to walk, and the store attendant told me the earth is flat. Now I worry DD is going to fall off the edge. :(

Thank you so much for such a good well-explained answer, Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

When it comes to vaccines nothing focuses the mind like the diseases themselves. My aunt was an anti-vaxer way back in the 1960s. Absolutely totally and outspokenly against them. Then polio killed her daughter and hospitalised her son, leaving him with a lifelong disability. She couldn't get her other kids vaccinated fast enough after that.

Has anyone said that vaccines don't actually work- that the diseases they protect against were in decline anyway and it's all just coincidence? That's one of my favorites......

My personal favourite are people who "reject the germ theory of disease".

I like the natural immunity ones, that we need to return to nature, breastmilk and organic food will cure all and nasty chemikillz just cause the diseases.

They probably haven't studied the birth (and death) records from not so distant past, when people lived nice pure, organic lives and lost half their kids in infancy..

Ah yes, the "I suppose vaccinations are useful for those junk-food-eating proles, but my children are breastfed and eat nothing but the most wholesome of diets, so they won't get seriously ill!" one. bangs head off desk

Do you mean people who say that deaths were declining pre-vaccine Bertrand? That is actually true...

Measles England and Wales

I have a friend who thinks that her children won't get nits because they are unvaccinated..........

Yep, the number of deaths from measles was declining. Better hygiene, better medical care, better nutrition and (whisper it not) antibiotics will do that. But the number of cases didn't decline until after vaccination.

And measles can do lots of horrible things to you short of death.

Measles is a virus, antibiotics would only help secondary bacterial infections.

Lol kids won't get nits because they're unvaccinated how stupid can you get