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Why would someone say this about vaccines? Is it odd?

586 replies

PuzzlingPanda · 09/03/2016 19:59

Was in a health food shop today and mentioned an ongoing issue I'm having with one of my do.

The man mentioned he thought the biggest thing going wrong with our children was all the vaccines they receive. He said they full of nasties, designed to make people ill.

It could be put down to a man having a pointless rant but why would he say this? Is there any sort of truth in it?

Not the first time I've heard negative things about vaccines.

Now I'm worried about it.

OP posts:
SkyWasMadeOfAmethyst · 09/03/2016 20:28

Of course. The court case is ongoing until March 26. I think you can follow it via the Canadian media: CBC, National Post, Globe and Mail will be covering it. Absolutely heartbreaking.

LagunaBubbles · 09/03/2016 20:29

Some random stranger spouts nonsense at you in a shop about vaccines causing illness and you are worried? Seriously?

KatharinaRosalie · 09/03/2016 20:31

I personally know only a handful of doctors, but I know a lot of people working for the big pharma. They've also had their own kids vaccinated against everything.

sugar21 · 09/03/2016 20:31

Thank you
My daughter died from meningitis

Bunbaker · 09/03/2016 20:33

"Not the first time I've heard negative things about vaccines."

DD brought a letter home from school because they are rolling out the meningitis vaccine for her age group (year 11). There is absolutely no way that I would prevent her from having this vaccine.

She is very, very needle phobic so I will organise that she has it at the surgery rather than at school. But she is having this vaccine even if she has to be sedated for it.

specialsubject · 09/03/2016 20:33

what 'nasties'? Are they nastier than the viruses or bacteria that cause the diseases and are 100% natural?

as I said; nothing is 100% safe and we all die. You, me and everyone's ickle preshus. Object is to maximise the healthy time. If it is your kid damaged by the vaccine, that's awful - and it is the same if yours dies of the disease. Life is a risk.

obviously vaccination varies between countries. Different diseases in different places.

JizzyStradlin · 09/03/2016 20:33

Because they've got shit for brains. And they're the sort of gullible twat who'll believe anything they read, if it makes them feel smart.

Some people have been damaged by vaccines, and some people do have good sound reasons why some of them wouldn't be a good idea. Some vaccines aren't worth the risk benefit calculation in some cases. I love vaccination, and lean towards having everything, but it's possible to articulate a sensible case for why they might not be a universally good idea on every occasion. This man, however, is not doing that.

PurpleDaisies · 09/03/2016 20:34

I am a qualified doctor so I have a lot of doctor friends. Every single one who has had children has had then vaccinated.

SkyWasMadeOfAmethyst · 09/03/2016 20:36

Oh sugar I am absolutely heartbroken for you. No parent should have to experience the loss of a child. Flowers I am so sorry.

tilder · 09/03/2016 20:40

liara I know lots of Dr's. Obv not all. Have yet to meet a single dr who hasn't vaccinated their children with everything offered. I have never met one who has concerns regarding vaccination schedule. Nor have i met one who fears for their career if they 'speak out'.

Such comments are never going to be substantiated because 'the drs are scared'. That makes it difficult to refute the statement but very easy to repeat without being challenged.

Is there any documented information where a genuine dr has expressed such concerns?

Nancery · 09/03/2016 20:42

Sorry to be a bit thick but I can't check as DS's info is in storage (due to move soon) and I wasn't 100% sure re the info on the NHS website - is meningitis a standard vaccine to have? DS has had all his but I am a bit confused as there has been a recent petition to have meningitis vaccine offered to every child so I am wondering what that was in contrast to the info in the NHS choices website www.nhs.uk/conditions/meningitis/Pages/Prevention.aspx

Sugar Flowers from me too xxx

sugar21 · 09/03/2016 20:42

purple my own GP has paid to vaccinate his 3 children against men b
OP read my threads and then go and tell the twat in the shop what to do
Thank you sky

LetsSplashMummy · 09/03/2016 20:42

I think if you meet a doctor who has reservations about the current vaccination regime, it is probably a more educated and nuanced opinion about age cut-offs, financial implications or about how to approach a reluctant cohort (do you give them single vaccines if they are more likely to take them). Not being 100% on board with every part of something doesn't automatically make you against it and on the opposing team (as the anti-vax arguments would have you believe).

People like this man gravitate towards being the master of a domain, like a health food shop, as the they have the feeling of being more knowledgeable. He probably knows a bit about vegetables and pulses but is in no way an expert on public health policy.

ghostyslovesheep · 09/03/2016 20:43

what 'nasties' are in vaccines ? please?

I also know 3 GP's who all vaccinated and all support vaccination

sugar21 · 09/03/2016 20:43

I am going to parliameny as part of the evidence sessions regarding the petition

sugar21 · 09/03/2016 20:44

Parliament
Stupid autocorrect

lottielou7 · 09/03/2016 20:45

There are people who believe that the government puts things into vaccines that they don't make us aware of. Tbh I do wonder if this might be the case because otherwise why is it such a battle to see the serial number of the vaccine your child is having?

I would personally say that IMO vaccines are useful at preventing diseases but they are not without risk and you have to make up your own mind what you decide.

JuxtapositionRecords · 09/03/2016 20:47

Because people are ignorant and selfish. They spout this shit and rely on everyone around them to get it done and keep their kids safe. One anti vaxxer I know uses the argument against MMR jabs that she doesn't see they are needed anymore because these diseases are so rare nowadays - err why do you think that is??

Fact of the matter is if they or one of their kids got sick with meningitis or similar I guarantee they wouldn't turn down the lifesaving treatment they were offered because 'it's full of nasties'.

Twats.

sugar21 · 09/03/2016 20:51

Why on earth would the Government put things in vaccines?

mayflyaway · 09/03/2016 20:52

"otherwise why is it such a battle to see the serial number of the vaccine your child is having?"

huh? the serial numbers are written in the red book with the vaccine record.

BoffinMum · 09/03/2016 20:54

I spend my life looking at population data, sometimes including morbidity statistics, and I pay more attention to that than people in health food shops, anti-vaxxers waving their latest pet article at me, and so on. I can interpret data myself so I don't rely on other people giving me their view depending on what they have decided to cherry pick.

It's clear to me that vaccination saves lives, lots of lives. It also prevents disability. At a population level. You can see this in the international data.

There is also a minute risk that the vaccination will cause disability in children, but this risk is significantly smaller than the risk I take every time I bundle them into a car, let them onto a bouncy castle, or let them use the trampoline in the garden.

On that basis, I have decided to have them vaccinated for everything going.

I also have a personal view based on how I have seen infectious diseases ruining lives.

I also used to teach a little boy who had got measles because he had a cold on the day of the vaccination and it was postponed. He managed to get infected with actual measles before his mother had got around to rescheduling it. He was in intensive care, nearly died, survived but had hearing impairment and various bits of neurological damage.

My cousin had polio as a child and has had a limp all his life. My great-aunt came to visit him in hospital when he was in with polio, and caught it, spend two years in an iron lung and then died.

My third baby was killed when I got the flu - I had not been vaccinated and this was before they made it routinely available to pg women.

I think that anti-vaxxers see what they want to see and are usually people with little or no experience of infectious disease personally, plus they have not explored the data properly themselves and just skim for the bits that support their arguments.

ghostyslovesheep · 09/03/2016 20:55

what are they 'putting in vaccines' soilent green???

All vaccines carry risk - as very clearly outlined by the NHS! The risk from the vaccine out weight the risk from the disease - so it makes sense to take the lesser risk

tealoveryum · 09/03/2016 20:59

Sounds like someone I know. If you'd given him 5 minutes of your time OP, he would have also told you how the vaccines embed tiny tracking devices which are set to kill you when activated.

I wonder why this man's rant has made you wonder if it isn't the first time, rather than anything else. Some random ranting wouldn't even raise my eyebrow. In fact the last random was ranting about how all sinners go to hell and the one before was calling all bankers wankers. Joys of the train

sugar21 · 09/03/2016 21:00

I wish to God my dd had been vaccinated, she may still be alive.
The programme for Menb hadn't started when she caught it