Why would someone say this about vaccines? Is it odd?

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Was in a health food shop today and mentioned an ongoing issue I'm having with one of my do.

The man mentioned he thought the biggest thing going wrong with our children was all the vaccines they receive. He said they full of nasties, designed to make people ill.

It could be put down to a man having a pointless rant but why would he say this? Is there any sort of truth in it?

Not the first time I've heard negative things about vaccines.

Now I'm worried about it.

Surely lice will love nice, pure, organic and unvaccinated hair?

Yes, TheSinkingFeeling, but that's what people tended to die from - complications from secondary infections e.g. pneumonia.

Secondary infections were a significant cause of measles deaths. Pneumonia specifically.

Given that we are in danger of heading towards a post antibiotic world (ie resistance) vaccines will become increasingly important. A lot of chicken pox related complications are also secondary bacterial infections.

And that decline in measles deaths chart is one of the many cherries the anti vaxxers like to pick. It does not show what they want it to show, but they can and do spin it.

Found a list of the ingredients generally used in vaccines for anyone who is interested: www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-ingredients

I caught Chicken Pox off DS when he was a toddler (I hadn't had it as a child myself). I was given strong anti-viral medication within 24 hrs of being diagnosed. It is the worse illness I have ever experienced, I was in agony, vey high temperature for days covered in spots externally and externally. I was off work for 2 months with post virile fatigue. Twenty odd years later, I still have scarred lungs.

Simple childhood illnesses damage people for life.

I think if anti vaxxers watched their child die they would blame someone else. They are always right you know.

SilverBirch, yes, many of the childhood illness are worse in adulthood with much higher risks of complications.

If only there was a vaccine against stupid, there wouldn't be so many numpties littering the place around here.

"SilverBirch, yes, many of the childhood illness are worse in adulthood with much higher risks of complications."

That is true in some cases. Not in others.

I'm not a scientist and I go to health food shops so my opinion will be nothing in this debate

I am however a prolific reader. I did my research and came up with the same concerns as you can't be serious

So I vaccinate but I prolong the schedule. I pay for Men B privately. I don't accept the flu vaccine.

The world is not divided into anti-vaxxers and vaxxers. There are us folk in the middle who would like to see calm and rationale discussions about the effect on the immune system.

Until these calm discussions take place, you will have the vocal anti-vaxxers.

Incidentally, eczema in two of my kids started shortly after their first set of vaccines. It's very clear to me there are effects on the immune system, not all of which are understood.

The calm discussion has taken place and has been ignored. That's why rational people tend to get a bit cross.............

The phrase 'anti-vaxxer' pisses me off as much as anything else. Why is it spelled with a double x?
I don't vaccinate for reasons explained above, but I'm not an 'anti-vaxxer' nor am I thick, or believe the world is flat, or a hippy, or any other thing. I don't understand peoples need to make other people fit in some nice neat little box in their head.

bertrand I find the arrogance of many posters on this board as irritating as the "government poisons us with vaccines" lot.

There are no absolutes. There are risks. There are unknowns.

And I know at least two doctors that are privately and quietly slight spacing out their own kids' vaccination schedule.

I am sorry if I appear arrogant, I'm rather biased I admit.

Indeed sugar I completely understand.

But let us never ridicule those of who aren't completely on board with the vaccination schedule. And I say that as someone who jumped at the chance to obtain the Men B vaccine.

There are also reservations about the HPV vaccine and it is shocking that reports of problems are dismissed

I don't think anyone knowing your story could call you arrogant about vaccines sugar

The thing is not all vaccines are equal. Neither are the risks the diseases pose. Even the few people who I know are "somewhat" considered anti-vax in that they don't do flu, MMR, or the DtaP in pregnancy but I think (afaik) do the rest though possibly not on schedule - have paid privately for the MenB or had it on the NHS.

MenB isn't something I think even those parents want to take their chances on...

Genuine question. There are some very angry pro vaccine commenters on this thread (some of whom come across in a downright nasty fashion) However, your right.

Just wondering though. Are you all up to date with your vaccines? ie have you been re-vaccinated for measles/mumps/rubella/meningitis etc etc within the last 5 years?

Because if you haven't (and I strongly suspect that is the case, as it is with 99.9% of adults), then you are also putting your own children at risk. Just a thought before you lay into all the 'anti-vaxxers' and their 'unvaccinated' children....

My older daughter has had the HPV she's almost 17 and doesn't seem to have any side effects, apart from school hysteria about needles . Happy you managed to get the MenB vaccine. That is the one I would like dd2 to have had but its too late

When dd2 died we were given all kinds of jabs altough I can't remember which. It's a bit of a blur really

Anti-vaxxers are cretins.
Cretins should not be allowed to make medical decisions on behalf of vulnerable, incompetent others.
Therefore vaccinations should be compulsory for all children (unless there is a valid medical exemption).

*allthough

Lol still not correct

• although