To Think the Tories Are Actually At War With Disabled People?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

I've been mired in the grim process of my son's DLA being changed to the new benefit, PIP. During this time, I have heard the stories of other disabled people and their loved ones. This may make me biased. Or human.

On every forum I have been on for help, can see that thousand of other disabled people, their carers, appointees and loved ones are being pretty well tortured by the vicious cuts and the new, brutal system being forced into place.

Benefits advisers and people at charities in the front line trying to support people like us also seem to report they feel like the disabled are under attack.

Now I will never understand why the most disadvantaged people in society are being forced to pay for the mistakes of bankers and rich people. Losing DLA will be a blow to our family - most of all my son but all of us - we won't recover from. To multi millionaires like Campbell, no doubt it's back pocket change so they are incapable of understanding what they are doing to ordinary people.

The past few months going through this hell, I've often felt like we might as well cut to the chase, sew the lack triangle on our clothes, and wait for the work camp to open. And I don't say that lightly, as someone whose grandad was present during the liberation of Belsen. (Wasn't it another tory - Gove - who said historians got it wrong and the British were donkeys led by lions, or words to that effect - so we know the contempt in which we are held by these chinless wonders already).

AIBU to think that people like Cameron and IDS are targeting disabled people and their carers, specifically?

Dying dad scored 0 on PIP assessment, as assessor saw him cuddling his child:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dying-dads-disability-benefits-axed-7603435

candy whilst in many cases lifetime awards do go to those with degenerative conditions I feel that it's important to point out that some other conditions also qualify.

How the fuck do these assessors live with themselves.

I though they started a consultation back in December just before Christmas

I remember years ago a disabled friend of mine having to go for an assessment. She said, " What do they think? That I will miraculously get better?" (She is disabled due to birth defect) . She lives in dread of what the government might next do. What new and unusual parameters they may put on the level that you have to meet. I find it quite insulting to sick and vulnerable people and the people that love and care for them to do this. It feels like they are being targeted yes.

A system that was meant to help people, has become punitive. We shouldn't let the politicians get away with this.

We shouldn't let the politicians get away with this.

Too late - if there was a shred of a chance, these boards would be rammed with people apologising for voting Tory. Bearing in mind it was these boards which pretty much predicted the direction and impact the cuts were going to have on the disabled.

There's an old joke in the US, that you can't find anyone who will admit they voted for Nixon. I suspect there will be a new joke in April 2020 when nobody can be found who will admit they voted Tory.

ive just got letters from council to pay council tax (something I didn't have to under Labour) AND an increase in bedroom tax for the room for diability.

cunts.

they are cunts.

I don't know how the fuck im going to pay all this.

lurking, nobody admits it now. It's obvious who they are though, the ones who keep their gobs shut.
Labour, liberal, son, green, even the ukipper voters have no problem being vocal about who they support.
The Tory voters are silent.

beckert you had a spare room that was not use as a bedroom but for disability related reasons and therefore council tax was reduced accordingly, and that's been taken a at from you?
It's all going backward. All the things that have worked and fought for for years that were proved to be necessary and valuable - all that is being stripped and the result is people with disabilities will become MORE disabled because they are not being ENABLED. Yes, cunts.

Plenty of us were and are happy to vote Tory. Both Labour and Tories want disability benefits reformed. Don't believe all you read in the press.

Plenty of us were and are happy to vote Tory

Good for you. So, are the events of the last few days

a) not what you expected (so you're new to Mumsnet
b) what you expected (words fail me).

One of the best reforms the welfare state needs, like education and health is to stop being a political football.

eustace you are the first one I've heard say that. In an anonymous forum as well.

Don't recall seeing that in the Labour manifesto Eustace

After the last few days I judge anyone who admits to "happily voting Tory" as an u caring shit stirrer. Because you posted that to goad didn't you? I am biting... So hope that's made you happy.

Pray you never become disabled because ey will chew you up and shit you out.

Eustace please come to Manchester and see the effects the cuts have done to the area and tell me you are still happy to vote Tory.

We have had libraries, swimming pools, children centres, day centres, meals on wheels all cut and services closed.
Shops are boarded up and businesses going under. The town I live in is no longer a town centre as the shops have all gone bust.

There is no Jobs other than zero hour care workers.

Our council had something silly like £160 million cut over 3 years and yet in Tory areas their money even hasn't been reduced.

Tell me you think it's fair that Cameron's mum complains about cuts to services and Oxfordshire gets more money given to the council.

The trouble with most Tories is they don't see the impact these cuts and reforms do to areas as their area is most likely not affected.

Eustace forgot to add there is a foodbank at our local hospital as hospital staff saw a rise in malnourishment cases being admitted.

Still proud to have voted Tory as that makes me feel sick that there is a foodbank in a hospital

"George Osborne ignored a call to apologise to disabled people for rolling out and then cancelling cuts to a key disability benefit, choosing instead to chat and laugh with Michael Gove..."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-osborne-pip-cuts-disabled-disability-laughs-house-of-commons-john-mcdonnell-parliament-a6946176.html

Well joffrey he's got to keep Gove sweet because he'll be running for leader soon. As if Got be would keep Osbourne! Terrifyingly ilged probably have USS as his chancellor.
Never thought I'd start hoping BoJo becomes the next leader. Until they all get booted out anyway.

What a load of gibberish that was. Sorry!
*Gove would have IDS

how can you tell when your area / your claim is going over from DLA to PIP?

I was awarded my DLA 'without limit of time' but have now been told it will go over to PIP at some point?

www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-timetable

But my postcode is about a year out, if this is still current.

I have my ESA capability for work assessment tomorrow.
I was redeployed in my last role THREE times in 3 years in an attempt to retain my employment.
Eventually they retired me on ill health grounds. A large employer with 9000 employees and a huge variety of roles could not find a role that could accommodate my disability.
My condition is also degenerative so this situation is not likely to improve.
I had Access to Wirk support for the last 20 yrs and every possible adaptive technology and reasonable adjustment there is. I have worked for a total of 25 yrs for now am finally in a position where I can perform in wmployment through no fault of my own.
They are trying to deny me ESA. Someone with my car Britain is not even supposed to be sent for assessment, I should go straight into the support group.

The best of luck, candycane. So many of these assessments (ie: the vast majority) should be paper-based. And that is probably what we need to lobby for, next. Anyone who has had Access To Work support, shouldn't need to be constantly assessed and re-assessed and put through this stress endlessly.

Why don't they have joined up thinking on this? Someone who got DLA (which was assessed far more professionally than PIP is, anyway) or who now gets PIP, should be straight in the support group without all the endless rigmarole. I'm assuming the stressy and cruel insistence on face to faces, is because they want to keep Capita, etc in business. It has less to do with anyone's work capability or needs and more to do with yet more jobs for the boys/gold club mates' shareholders being kept happy.

This should not be about shareholders making money off the backs of disabled people.

This should be about providing appropriate support.

• gold = golf. Freudian slip?

It's because they are trying to get out of paying me. They say I'm not eligible as I haven't paid NI despite NI confirming that I have of course paid NI for 25yrs including the last two qualifying years. Rather than back down and admit their mistake they are trying to deter me. I've been eligible for 10 weeks now. Not a penny from them yet.
They are supposed to determined your eligibility, pay you a basic rate then when all documents are receive, pay the rate that applies to you.
I am eligible, they've confirmed that to three other agencies, but they are withholding it from me. With no actual grounds for doing so.
So not expecting it to go smoothly tomorrow.
I have to try to not let my utter contempt show.