To Think the Tories Are Actually At War With Disabled People?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

I've been mired in the grim process of my son's DLA being changed to the new benefit, PIP. During this time, I have heard the stories of other disabled people and their loved ones. This may make me biased. Or human.

On every forum I have been on for help, can see that thousand of other disabled people, their carers, appointees and loved ones are being pretty well tortured by the vicious cuts and the new, brutal system being forced into place.

Benefits advisers and people at charities in the front line trying to support people like us also seem to report they feel like the disabled are under attack.

Now I will never understand why the most disadvantaged people in society are being forced to pay for the mistakes of bankers and rich people. Losing DLA will be a blow to our family - most of all my son but all of us - we won't recover from. To multi millionaires like Campbell, no doubt it's back pocket change so they are incapable of understanding what they are doing to ordinary people.

The past few months going through this hell, I've often felt like we might as well cut to the chase, sew the lack triangle on our clothes, and wait for the work camp to open. And I don't say that lightly, as someone whose grandad was present during the liberation of Belsen. (Wasn't it another tory - Gove - who said historians got it wrong and the British were donkeys led by lions, or words to that effect - so we know the contempt in which we are held by these chinless wonders already).

AIBU to think that people like Cameron and IDS are targeting disabled people and their carers, specifically?

Auburn. I have ulcerative colitis, diverticulitis, proctitis. I shit myself regularly, don't ever leave the house without clean underwear. I have EDS and have trouble (particularly as I've got older) with zips, buttons, putting on tops, coats etc. I have AS so a tendency to panic about changes to routine etc. I also have an eating disorder. However, according to the report the doctor manages all my conditions and everything is fine.

Appeal? Hell yeah! That report was written by an incompetent who just wanted to write what she felt like and thought I was too anxious to bother appealing. Bastards!

Dawn, if Osborne and IDS have kids, they should be forced to read these news every day of the rest of their lives, to see what their parents are doing.

I'd be ashamed if I voted tory, right now. I mean more ashamed than voting for any other load of tories, ever. This cabinet are disgraceful; obscene bloated, overprivileged idiots.

Dear friend of mine died of cancer last year. Like that lady, she had defied the odds for over a decade. She only even was told to claim for DLA the last year or two of her life. (I'd assumed she already had it, so never thought to tell her about claimng under the Special Rules - it was only when she told me she had just got it, that I realised she'd never had it).

That money really made an unbelievable difference to her in her last couple of years. She stayed mobile. She had hobbies and interests. She could buy whatever she needed to boost her health, and not worry about actually keeping a roof over her head and her children's.

To Osborne a couple of hundred quid is pocket money. To a normal person - it's a lifeline.

I'd defy anyone who voted for this shower of bastards, to come on here now and tell us precisely why a terminally ill person should not get DLA/PIP? If not one can come on and give us a credible account - we know they are all ashamed they voted for this.

Whoever you are, this is being done for you in your name. Not for me. Own it.

Dawndonnaagain -- I have signed the petition you linked to. How dare your doctor pass you as fit for work. I do have a family member and a friend going through this cruel, undignified, unsupportive, dismissive process at the moment. (I can think of a few more adjectives). It's hard enough being disabled without having to prove over and over again that you're genuinely ill.
Good luck with your appeal.

And more to anyone going through this hell.

Thank you Auburn.

It would appear Jeremy Corbyn is an MNetter since he seems to be quoting us verbatim :)
Hi Jeremy ~waves>

To add to the sick note issue, I was retired on ill health grounds in January. I applied for ESA. I have yet to receive a penny.
The first reason they gave me why they weren't paying it to me is that I haven't paid NI.
I have worked for 25 years and always paid NI.
NI have confirmed I'm fully NI'd up. They provided me with a statement saying so. I sent it to DWP. The DWP haven't backed down yet.
The second reason they gave me for not giving me ESA is that my sick note ran out in January. That's because I retired on ill health grounds. I no longer work.
My GP has written to the DWP explaining this and supporting my application.
DWP have also had two consultants reports explaining that I am not fit for work.
DWP haven't acknowledged this. They have now sent FOUR letters asking my for a new sick note.
It's now been nine weeks and not a penny from them.
I had a lawyer draw up a letter stating they'd had all relevant information they needed and they were obliged to keep me informed.
Nothing except a letter to send me for an assessment which is dated for 10weeks after my initial application
And of course none of these letters have been in accessible format despite this information being provided. I also can't ring them due to my disability but they won't speak to my husband despite us following their own policy and process on how to set that up - they say they have no record of me giving permission. I have given permission in writing repeatedly.
How dare they withhold my income due to their own incompetence? Other support I also need is being held up because ESA is a gateway to other support streams.
Life is so bloody hard and the organisations that are supposed to support you are making it impossible.
There's something very very wrong with the system.

Dawndonna im stunned you have been passed as fit and full of admiration for you and the time and thought you put in to supporting others on here

candykane that is bloody ridiculous.

Look on the ESA/Pip Support group on FB and you can see the sheer stress this system is putting people under.

Whatever happened to 'innocent before proven guilty'? The viciousness of it - assessors lying, minimising, laying traps... And the humiliation of it. (Writing your toileting problems down on the old DLA form was bad enough but imagine being grilled about it by a stranger - a hostile stranger?)

Then the endless waiting.

The fact it is 'cuts' disguised thinly as 'reform'...

Over and over people's accounts are showing the process is making them more ill.

It was there to HELP people not threaten and punish them (and anyone who has had he initial letter when your DLA is going to be changed to PIP knows how threateningly that letter is worded).

So as a society - are we going to help people who need it? Or attack them?

Can we leave these politicians in place, who are doing this?

candykane is that Jeremy Corbyn speech online anywhere?

One reason I started this thread here is knowing MN's enormous influence. We have not appeared as a trending thread, but have had so many responses here and this issue is so important to millions of people that we are obviously onto something.

Oh and just to reietarte - this thread was started a few days BEFORE the latest announced cuts. So this was a perception from even before they decided to rob the disabled some more...

Tory MPs, and party 'activists', if you're reading this to try and understand what you've done.... You should know this. We won't shut up. We won't go away.

reiterate even, doh!

joffrey Cirbyn article for The Mirror

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fight-george-osbornes-callous-cruel-7584985

And here
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35830452

"Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said Mr Osborne had "declared war on the disabled".
"The announcement made by the chancellor is a reverse of the whole trend of the past three decades, to go back to saying disabled people can't lead independent lives, can't get the support they need."
He added: "Any of us could become disabled at any time. We're just a car accident away from a major disability. We should think about that.""
Taken from bbc

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35843592
Linky for above quote

Helena Thank you!

Have I done this here?

speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/save-pip

You can email your MP too. Let's flood them with emails. They're going to wish they'd never done this.

www.bbc.co.uk/news

I don't believe they're at war with the disabled. It's become increasingly apparent, especially with the revelations in IDS's resignation letter, that the 'long term economic plan' is pure BS. They don't have a plan, they're cutting randomly without any thought, giving tax breaks without any thought. They badly underestimated the British public. They assumed we'd just go along with any old cut for the 'greater good', they thought we'd care more about eliminating the deficit by 2020 than we would about cancer sufferers and the long term disabled.

British public, I salute you. Except for those in favour of the cuts, you are bastards.

Yes, it's all dogma and ideology at the expense of... what do they call them unwashed things that didn't go to Eton? Ah yes... the plebs.

revelations in IDS's resignation letter

If even IDS can't stomach it !

he said"the disabled"
imo he doesn't even see people

Don't believe a word IDS says. Someone has stitched him up so he stitching them up right back.

Let's see if the rest of his cabinet are 'frit' in Thatcher's memorable word. But I doubt any of the rest of the have the balls to follow suit.