AIBU to think a male paedophile rapist should definitely go to a male prison?

[HermioneWeasley]

And it shouldn't just be "likely"?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-35726292

FFS.

Beyond
And yes, i believe that anyone who has sex dysphoria has a mental disorder, luckily both the DSM and ICD agree with my non-expert opinion.

That is not the NHS's position:

Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It is not a mental illness.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx

In case you missed Claire Darbyshire in the news....

Claire is the carer who was found guilty of murder for suffocating their disabled father with a plastic bag. Claire was reported as "woman" despite no surgery or hormone treatment, just a name change a few years ago. Claire has previous for (while "living as a woman" btw) breaking into a friends house and wanking in said friends knickers. It is unknown yet whether Claire will be "forced" (bbcs choice of wording) to serve the sentence in a male prison

I'm attaching the article on it from one paper, and Claires mugshot.

Woman. Ffs.

I am unsurprised that the nhs is wrong.

attheendoftheday I wasn't taking the mickey, I just find such things interesting. Unfortunately I no longer have free access to that website since I am no longer a HCP student, and I'm not willing to pay for the article. But thank you for the link, I will see if I can find anything related on t'internet.

It's also respectful that people use the correct pronouns

The correct pronoun for someone with penis is 'he'.

If that is a woman I am a turnip

Tabsicle So what are you personally doing to prevent male on male assaults in prison

You know people didn't used to believe in homosexuality at one point either

Cobblers. Show me your evidence.

I don't identify as a TERF so, despite the fact that I agree with the OP, no-one's allowed to call me that or I'll get offended, m'kay?

Awesome logic. Love it

If that is a woman I am a turnip

Beehooven, as long as you self-identify as a turnip, despite having no turnip-y body parts at all, we will all respect that and use appropriate turnip-related pronouns.

Only a bigot would question your turnipness.

What is the correct pronoun for a turnip?

Nip/nips/nipself, Beyond. Duh.

Doh, obviously! Silly me!!

kua - awesome! Is this the new rule here? No one can have an opinion on anything unless you're personally working in the field? Does it have to be in a professional capacity or does volunteer work count? Is there a minimum hourly count?

This might rather cut down on AIBU traffic, but I guess if those are the rules...

huh?

(I cant see a post from kua saying anything like that?!)

"What I'm saying is that statistically trans women are far more at risk of being victims of sexual assault in prison that being perpetrators."

In a male prison perhaps. Putting them in a women's prison therefore keeps them safe from rape and assault but increases the risk for the women they are housed with seeing as trans women commit rape and violent crime at the same rate as men. I don't see why their right not to be assaulted should trump those of women.

And there have been cases in the US and Australia of women in jails being raped and assaulted by trans women

Question - if it is the risk of rape that means tw cannot go to male prison, can a tw be housed with another tw? Because then, surely there is a risk of rape again? Are they going to have to be divvied up around the country, one per prison, so that only the women they are housed with can be raped, not them?

I'm getting very bored now with new posters coming on to MN to rant about us females not taking time to resolve all the problems in the world.

Richard Masbruch and Noel Crompton Hall are two of the murderers/rapists who went on to rape women in prison. How anyone could think incarcerating violent men like this with women is acceptable is beyond me

Respect?!?

This man dosent know the meaning of respect, he has shown this by raping a child! Given that he clearly dosent know respect, I'm sure he won't mind when the justice system shows him none!

Tabsicle, why is protecting trans women from rape/violence in prison more important to you than protecting women from rape/violence in prison?

And Paris Green WeMust

The reason women's prisons have a much lower risk of sexual abuse is because they are populated by women, not because they are cushy clubs that men are unfairly excluded from.

Putting men in a women's prison is not a solution to male violence.

" I can't find any stories about trans women sexually assaulting cis inmates in women's prison but I'd be open to any studies that give different numbers"

No one knows how many trans prisoners there are, although the Home Secretary has asked for the numbers to be collected. I have seen an estimate of 80-100 in the uk.

As I understand it, as in the UK numbers have largely been limited to trans women with GRC, who may or may not have had surgery but are certainly reasonably likely to have done so. If the definition of transwomen permitted to enter a women's prison is broadened, it is unknown what the effect will be on any stats.

Is the 54% from the US, given the lack of UK data?

We are told contradictory things

Transwomen face the threat of sexual assault in male prisons from men. So do other prisoners but who cares?

Women are safe from sexual assault from transwomen (no reason given why this is, seeing as many are in prison for violent male pattern crime and have penises)

Women face violence from other women in prison because violence is a people problem not a male problem (gaslighting)

The solution is better supervision of prisoners. Except for transwomen. They cant be protected and need to be in with women.