To worry about a world where Donald Trump is America's president

[mrshudson221b]

someone please reassure me that he is unlikely to be the Republican nominee, let alone become president.

Cannot believe that anyone would take anything he says seriously or agree with any of his beyond offensive vile opinions. Like having Nick Griffin en route to becoming PM .

Or maybe there is no FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton at all....

As for why HC is hated by some... it goes back to ~1991 when she was asked why she was a working mother. She got so fed up of answering stupid questions she finally snapped "Well I guess I could have stayed home baking cookies." Things went downhill from there.

Re that link, so is huma in trouble too?

And Clinton wants go go into Libya, yes? People say it is her Afghanistan?

The FBI have confirmed the investigation since Decembershen that report was issued www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fbi-formally-confirms-its-investigation-hillary-clintons-email-server

Can someone explain why everyone hates Clinton please?

I don't hate her. Most people I know are supporting her. I sent a donation today and will be voting for her in my state's primary, for which early voting has already begun.

She and her husband have been targets of the hard right for decades in the US. I personally think much of the anti-Hillary rhetoric in the US is a result of misogyny.

There have been quite a few dubious things attached to Clinton. Whitewater, travelgate, Lewinsky.

I have been pondering whether Trump as president could have a silver lining.

And I decided he would fuck up so badly so quickly he'd be assassinated by the CIA that he would destroy all credibility of the right wing in the USA. At present they bitch that everything that is wrong is because of Obama, because of Clinton and that if THEY were in charge - well, maybe if they could see how incompetent they are when they are in charge, they would shut the fuck up. And the electorate would see the folly in listening to someone who spouts jingoism without a hint of policies.

I know, it would never happen, they'd find some other reason why it was all the fault of the other side and they need to be in charge for longer blah blah blah .

WhereYouLeftIt totally agree. The over focus on Trump's policies on immigration (and this is something his opposition are most guilty of) have allowed him a free pass as far as other areas of policy go. It's all rhetoric with no real plan for how he would make life better for ordinary Americans. I suspect when he got in and they realised his real intentions they would be in for a shock.

My fear was that sanders would be elected democrat nominee and trump republican. Then Bloomberg was likely to run as an independent and there was a chance that by splitting the Democrat vote that trump could win the election! Now that Clinton is likely to be the nominee, I'm less worried about trump being elected. The gop are totally out of touch with most of America imo.

I think it is a terrifying prospect, though an interesting one (I'm thinking George Orwell).
I'd prefer if we didn't have such a social experiment in my lifetime however.

I'm a big Sanders follower btw, but always tend to back the loser!

The FBI have confirmed the investigation
The reference talks about investigating the email account. But the previous link pointed out that investigating the email and a person's actions is different.
Quite frankly, a private anonymous email could be more secure than an official one as it could be more dificult to track and thus hack.

Why do so many other politicians hate Cruz so much? Is he a sanctimonious git?
Rubio's policies aren't a lot better than T or C, but is looking like least bad Republican choice.

He's an isolationist. He'll probably just build a physical and metaphorical wall around the States and ignore everywhere else.
Be interesting to see how the world gets on with 4 years of American absence on the world stage.

I have visions of preppers wetting themselves with excitement if he wins.

One of the things that gets me, other than all of his policies, incitment to violence etc is how when he claims that things will happen because when he tells someone to do something they will just do it:
Mexico will build the wall
Soldiers will use more than waterboarding to torture people
companies will aquiesce to his demands to stay in the States
etc etc

I think Ted Cruz actually scares me more.

He's full of it, I can't actually think of any formal policies. His response about a question on the nuclear triad brought me out in a cold sweat.

Ted Cruz record on policies, votes.

Marco Rubio record on policies, votes.

As lljkk just pointed out one of the main problems with "anti-establishment" candidates is that they have little track record on which to judge them.

In the case of Trump, it's instructive to look not at what he says, but at what he has done -this includes a well-documented record of exploiting immigrants when it suits his businesses to do so, and using borderline (il)legal business practices.

Cruz is scary, for different reasons (and Rubio too, to a lesser extent). We don't really know what sort of policies Trump would actually try to implement, because he's full of shit but he's also (as a businessman) a lot more pragmatic than most other candidates. We have a good idea what Cruz would attempt to do and it would certainly involve riding roughshod over the rights of minorities, women, and the sick.

Lertgush, www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-foundation-received-subpoena-from-state-department-investigators/2016/02/11/ca5125b2-cce4-11e5-88ff-e2d1b4289c2f_story.html

I'm seeing nothing in here to say there are three FBI investigations into Clinton...

I've just seen this.

Here's another side to the Hillary email story
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/04/clinton-emails-continue-to-be-non-scandal-disappointing-republicans/?postshare=4131457131402547&tid=ss_fb

I hadn't realised that previous Secretaries of State had also set up private email servers, nor that it actually is not breaking the law to do so.

I also had not realised that 'None of the work-related emails she sent and received were marked classified at the time. However, some 200 of them were retroactively classified'

Nor this... 'The FBI is investigating the matter, but has said that Clinton herself is not a target of that investigation, meaning that they don’t suspect that she committed any crime.'

The full comment on classified emails:

"None of the work-related emails she sent and received were marked classified at the time. However, some 200 of them were retroactively classified. This is now the subject of a spat between the State Department and the intelligence community, which classifies many things that people elsewhere in the government think are absurd to classify."

And
"Donald Trump, with his characteristically tenuous relationship to reality, frequently says that she’s about to be indicted or that she won’t be permitted to run for president because she’ll be on trial. It hasn’t happened and it won’t happen, but that isn’t going to stop them from saying it."

Can you imagine the howls in the Republican ranks if after two terms of a black president, they get two terms with a woman in office?

I'm inclined to think that Hillary has it almost in the bag now and that it will take at least two terms for the Republicans to undo the damage caused first by the Tea Party (which almost paralysed the American political system) and Trump (which made an international joke of it).

They also risk having a Latino.

The white male options seeming the least desirable.