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Original poster

Rotherham

54 replies

ComeonSummer1 · 26/02/2016 18:40

Aibu to raise a glass that these vile men ,and women who helped them, have been jailed for years and years.

And I hope the child victims get the help they need.

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SmallGreenBouncyBall · 26/02/2016 18:42

yanbu
I hope that other cases will also be brought to trial anc judged fairly and as harsh as appropriate.

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ComeonSummer1 · 26/02/2016 18:44

Absolutely small barbaric bastards.

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Baaaaaaaaaaaa · 26/02/2016 19:12

I really honestly think they should ALL have gotten 35 years. Even 'just' pimping should have receved 35 years, they were facilitating the rape, they knew what was going on, they were just as bad.

Wonder how long they'll all end up serving though!

Turbinaria · 26/02/2016 19:24

Hopefully the length of the sentences will get the message out that you're pretty much taken away from society until you can't do this anymore.

Assuming full sentences are served - the concept of good behaviour for any of them seems contemptible.

originalmavis · 26/02/2016 19:29

I hope that those who aided, turned a blind eye or 'knew but didn't do anything' are all brought to account. There is talk of deporting such creatures but i can't see that happening ('human' rights and all that).

How will they ever educate males that this is a whole new scale of wrong? What is happening in the communities and families where this is happening on such a scale that it can't gave been hidden?

AnyFucker · 26/02/2016 19:36

In Rochdale some of the convicted child rapists are appealing deportation on the grounds of "right to a family life"

wtaf

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ComeonSummer1 · 26/02/2016 19:46

Hopefully attitudes will change.

One victim aged 15 said SS saw her as being in s relationship with the ring leader!

How can a 15 year old be regarded like that when the man is years older?

Disgusting.

The girls were seen as 'slags' and 'gang members' not children being abused by paedophiles.

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iseenodust · 26/02/2016 19:54

YANBU. More will follow I'm sure.

I worry the 'professionals' who colluded by turning a blind eye or wilfully dismissing concerns will not be subject to individual examination/judgment.

The councillors still in situ need to think if it is time to go now. I would have got rid of the lot regardless of the 'risk of instability' to the city.

Dawndonnaagain · 26/02/2016 19:58

There is talk of deporting such creatures but i can't see that happening ('human' rights and all that).
I think you'll find that Australia stopped taking our criminals quite some time ago. Hmm

BudsBeginingSpringinSight · 26/02/2016 20:05

news.sky.com/story/1648898/rotherham-abusers-could-lose-uk-citizenship

They were not born here Dawn they are from Pakistan. So they would be stripped of british citizenship and deported back there.

BudsBeginingSpringinSight · 26/02/2016 20:06

isee

I agree.

New people - without a doubt, the whole lot should go, any police, SW etc who all colluded, any teachers who saw the girls going to meet the men but did nothing.

All of them, new fresh blood with new fresh ideas.

Dawndonnaagain · 26/02/2016 20:11

But that's not the case with all of them, Buds. McGregor and Davies were born here.

RomComPhooey · 26/02/2016 20:13

Part of me thinks they are better off here. It feels wrong to ship them back to Pakistan where women have even fewer rights, are made to marry their rapists or gang raped in revenge attacks etc. What happened in Rotherham is utterly reprehensible, but at least their victims are now (finally!) getting justice and these men are being taken out of circulation.

VertigoNun · 26/02/2016 20:17

They have long prison sentences to run and long human rights court cases yet. They will be very old men by the time they go to Pakistan. By which time the world could be a very different place.

Andrewofgg · 26/02/2016 20:26

Anybody else half (or more than half) hoping that their sentences are reduced . . . by their fellow prisoners?

RomComPhooey · 26/02/2016 20:26

Here's hoping - for our Pakistani sisters.

RomComPhooey · 26/02/2016 20:27

My post was in reply to Vertigo, not Andrew.

VertigoNun · 26/02/2016 20:28

That was an unfortunate x post. Yes plenty of time for a cultural change.

BudsBeginingSpringinSight · 26/02/2016 20:30

Oh sorry Confused I didnt realise we were splitting hairs!

The talk of deporting I assume is in reference to the ones who can be. But yes Rom com, it does also feel wrong to send them back.

Hedgehogparty · 26/02/2016 20:31

Sadly I think these convictions today are just the tip of an iceberg.

The scale of abuse is truly frightening and personally I hope they can be deported.

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ComeonSummer1 · 26/02/2016 20:32

Rom yes see your point.

Andrew of course see your point but think it's too good for them really. Refer a long long suffer by jail.

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BillSykesDog · 26/02/2016 20:40

Yes, I saw Mohammed Shafiq from the Ramadhan foundation on the news early complaining how racist and unfair it was their citizenship was being revoked.

I also saw that the court heard when the abuse was happening one of the abusers parked up by a police station with a 12 year old. A police car pulled up and asked what they were doing and he said 'She's sucking my cock mate'. And they just left. A 12 year old. They didn't even ask if she was okay or consented, it's appalling.

There are plenty of people out there that were involved who have still not been brought to justice. Although it's great these men have been prosecuted it's just a sop, a token gesture to try and shut it up.

I know one of the victims and her family and I know the people involved have not been brought to justice. Her life has been ruined, she will never recover.

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 26/02/2016 20:40

I'm relieved at the severity of the sentencing and think these men, plus others like them, need to be taken out of society. Any society.

carlajean · 26/02/2016 20:46

but one of the women only got a suspended sentence - I'm shocked

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 26/02/2016 20:48

Yanbu

This really needs to be looked into further and questioned answered. Why so many girls in care who are so vulnerable are not given the same levels of protection as all other children are, why there has been a reluctance to deal with the men from certain Asian backgrounds and a dismissing of the issues that it was white girls they targeted

I am sure it is still happening but while we deny the race and culture issues it will happen again and again and these most vulnerable of girls will be left to once again defend themselves against abusers that deliberately target them