to wonder if people would admit to voting "leave" in the EU Referendum?

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Apparently there is a lot of inconsistency in answers when pollsters phone people and ask for their decision on Brexit compared to answers given online (respondents are more likely to say they will vote to "remain" on the phone but in online polls say they will vote to "leave"). I wonder if people admitting that they are going to vote "leave" is seen as taboo in the same way that nobody apparently voted for the Tories in the GE . If you are intending to vote "leave" would you admit it to friends and family (especially if you think they are more likely to vote "remain") or are you afraid of being called a Little Englander?

I am actually the only person that I know that is so far undecided.

Everyone else is leave. They are all long standing Labour supporters. Many even party members.

That is why this isn't as clear cut as being along party policy lines or I'm voting this way because xy or z are or aren't

It really isn't that simple.

I can't stand Gove and despise his politics but his piece on why he is voting the way he is has been praised by both the in and out campaigns.

I do agree there is a massive problem with what Brexit will actually mean.

Would we retain a lot of the EU legislation that is already embedded? We surely would have to.

I'm voting to stay. I have huge doubts about the trade deals we'd be able to negotiate with the rest if the EU - I don't think they'd help us.

Also, we would still have to comply with the pointless bullshit bureaucracy if we want to trade with the EU - the EEA countries eg Norway all do.

If we leave I think everything will get much more expensive and no change in bureaucracy...

If we trade with EU countries we have to comply with the legislation which is in force in relation to that trade through the EU.

I think Britain has a price to pay for leaving the EU. Possibly a higher price than it is already paying. But - uncontrolled immigration may be a clincher. Also, Britain being dictated to by the EU. Britain is a centuries-old Imperialist country. It would never sit well with them to be dictated to.

I'm surprised with Cameron's decision to endorse staying in, to be frank.

I wonder whether Her Majesty is 'purring' as she was when Scotland stayed?

I'm afraid I haven t read the whole thread so someone may have already said this, but I m voting IN as although the EU isn t perfect, I feel it would be economic suicide to leave. Most multinational companies would leave the UK and unemployment would rocket.
I worry that people are only voting to leave due to immigration issues and not looking at the wider picture.

I would vote to leave. I don't think we will be able to, but I would vote that way.

I've no fixed idea of which way I'll vote yet. I come from a farming background so I want to see what it will really mean for our agricultural industry before I decide (it won't be all I base my decision on). DH wants to see reasonings and arguments from both sides too but is swaying towards a leave vote.

I worry that people are only voting to leave due to immigration issues and not looking at the wider picture.

This thread shows that seriously isn't the case. It is one of those misinformed arguements being thrown out there by IN.

Reverse could be said about those voting in though because it is the 'easy" option.

The truth is that if this thread is anything to go by, people have thought about their decisions and the reasons behind them.

All should be respected.

Most multinational companies would leave the UK and unemployment would rocket.

Where is the proof of that?

Some have actually said they would stay!!!

Most multinational companies would leave the UK and unemployment would rocket

On what basis do you make that kind of ridiculous statement?

With the greatest respect, it's utter bollocks.

Economically the Eurozone is a disaster and the reason the British ecomony is able to survive and grow is because it is outside the Eurozone, albeit still a 'member' of the 'EU'.

Please explain how countries that aren't part of a bureaucractic construct, a democratically flawed institution that has been unable to issue its own accounts for two decades because it cannot make its books balance, a member's club that costs the good, old, keep running the treadmill, British tax payer almost 60 million pounds per day to be a member of, have economies that not only survive but thrive? The most successful European economies (Germany excepted) are outside the Eurozone.

If you honestly believe what you have stated here then please provide some actual cold hard economic facts to back it up.

Because the cold hard economic facts actually illustrate precisely the opposite of what you are stating.

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I really hope no-one is trying to characterise this issue as one where the Nice People are 'obviously' for Remain.

I found one;

Pointythings
The idea is that the stronger economies drag the weaker ones upwards. That idea failed with the Euro, because the weaker economies were not ready to join, but let's be absolutely fair - the banking crisis was not Greece's fault, or Spain's fault - it was the banks' fault. On a world-wide scale. The feeling I get is that the leave camp like to gloss over that part of it.
Mind you, I'm a leftie and I don't mind my taxes going to people who have it worse than I do.

I'm undecided so far and need to read/learn more before I can decide, but I would say stay at the moment until I can be persuaded otherwise. The whole thing has put me on edge again -after the bloody referendum up here, just the R word makes me want to rock in a corner.

I'm undecided so far and need to read/learn more before I can decide, but I would say stay at the moment until I can be persuaded otherwise. The whole thing has put me on edge again -after the bloody referendum up here, just the R word makes me want to rock in a corner.

Tillie - you need to start reading and fast!

Don't rock in a corner and don't vote for the status quo to 'stay' just because it's easier.

Read and watch everything you can from UKIP through to EU sponsored propaganda - there are a wealth of videos on youtube, not to mention editorials all across the web. Then look specifically at the economics. Look at some of the US publications to get an outside perspective.

If you want to listen to a good non UKIP Eurosceptic MP then you won't do better than Dan Hannon. Yes he's a Conservative but it's with a very small 'c' and you'll go a long way to find someone talk better sense than he does.

You've got a few months to educate yourself and form a decision that is right for you. But please do educate yourself before you make it.

Oh I will do Fontella - I do follow news/politics but like the bloody Indyref hate that phrase I read and watched and listened to everything and despite a lot of intimidation and huge family/friend fall outs, I voted the way my conscious said was best.

I hate that some people just read a DM headline, take it as gospel and vote cringe

Thanks for the pointers though

"I hate that some people just read a DM headline, take it as gospel and vote cringe"

Have you an example of this happening? One example?

I read the Daily Mail. I also read The Economist, The Times, The Irish Times, The NY Times, The Independent, The Irish Independent, The Guardian, journal.ie, The Daily Express, The Mirror, The Sun, The Star - basically - the world is my oyster! I love to read and I read anything available to me on an issue which I will now be voting on, which will undoubtedly impact on both my life and on the lives of my nearest and dearest. I actually feel that the Daily Mail has produced the most hard-hitting coverage lately of the immigration issue.

I hate the shaming of the Daily Mail here. If a reader of purely 'The Economist' came on spouting their views, they would be given short shrift. If you ignore a demographic you are making a BIG mistake.

People likely to be LEAST affected by Brexit are most unlikely to vote.
People likely to be MOST affected by Brexit are most likely to vote.

It might serve the politicians involved in campaigning to bare that in mind.

The Sceptic Isle is also a good and non-frothy, non-Ukippy blog EU critical blog. EUReferendum.com has a lot of resources too and is very knowledgeable.

And Kate Hoey is a veteran Labour eurosceptic and leader of the Labour Leave group.

I must also cite CNN/FOX/SKY as other sources! Then you have ITV (Loose women), the BBC, RTE....

No wonder I can't make up me mind!

Most of the establishment, including much of the legacy media, are at least soft Europhiles. From a sceptic perspective the coverage of the 'renegotiation' and referendum so far has been disgracefully biased towards Remain.

I will vote leave. I've lived in London and seen the impact immigration has had on schools, health etc. I felt driven out as I was in a minority of English speaking at school.

I've also lived outside of London and had similar issues, people have had enough of the chaos caused by the EU.

I value the confidentiality of our voting system. I don't tell people who I've voted for in council elections or general elections, and won't be telling people in RL which way I've voted in the referendum.

I think currently the discussions are in good spirit

The discussions should stay in good spirit.

There is no reason for anyone to fall out about this. It isn't about being 'left' or 'right' It isn't about being 'European' or 'Little Englander'.

It is about voting for what you believe is best for the country in which you live and in which your descendants will live, and if you believe it is in or out of the EU, then you should vote accordingly.

I've never been so certain of my vote (OUT) in several decades of voting in numerous and various elections .. but I believe in the democratic process and if the majority of the people who I share these islands with vote to remain in the EU then I have to accept that.

I just wish the EU itself were more respectful of the democratic process but that is an issue for later on.

All I ask is that everyone here educates themselves. There is a plethora of information out there from UKIP through to EU sponsored propaganda. Read it all - from the Express to the Guardian and form your own opinion, then vote as you see fit.

I'm leaning towards voting to leave.

I agree it isn't about left or right.

Well said, Fontella.