to wonder if people would admit to voting "leave" in the EU Referendum?

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Apparently there is a lot of inconsistency in answers when pollsters phone people and ask for their decision on Brexit compared to answers given online (respondents are more likely to say they will vote to "remain" on the phone but in online polls say they will vote to "leave"). I wonder if people admitting that they are going to vote "leave" is seen as taboo in the same way that nobody apparently voted for the Tories in the GE . If you are intending to vote "leave" would you admit it to friends and family (especially if you think they are more likely to vote "remain") or are you afraid of being called a Little Englander?

was I know, I asked some Americans the same thing very recently, admittedly just two! But yes, they had no idea about this special relationship and I have been told many times, news and affairs are very inward looking in America. As another PP said on another thread, Blair/Bush, Thatcher/Regan, two people who get on or don't...special relations move forward or not.

We all have a united front on ISIS/Putin anyway, thats not going to change.

Er...I am not so sure "we all" have a united front on Putin - and we certainly don't all agree about how to deal with ISIS even though we agree they are trouble.

ISIS have Spain on their hit list of countries to regain control of.

BTW - having Turkey in the EU (which is on the way) would have made their recent spat with Putin interesting.

I have an honours degree in Politics and Economics. I am planning to vote leave.

I admired the initial ideas of a closer Europe - the checks and balances that were supposed to ensure that no single country became too strong - too important - and thus militaristic.

However the commission is profoundly undemocratic, as is the presidency. Too much control of the minutiae and not enough big picture consideration, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm undecided. I'm generally fairly liberal and am not at all patriotic. Europe is in a mess though. As a trading organisation it's great as we get to help decide on the regulations and can ensure our factories don't have to make costly changes to machinery because the new EEC allowance is 1mm smaller than our machines can cope with or similar.
The freedom of movement thing is only fine if everyone moves equally round the countries.
For me not wanting immigrants isn't about benefits it's about not wanting our countryside concreted over to accommodate the extra houses, roads, schools surgeries and infrastructure the increase in population would need for everyone to live comfortably.
I also think political decisions should be made as locally as practical taking in to account local conditions (whilst making some centrally to avoid post code lotteries and nimbyism.
The EEC has taken on too much and got too big. Large trade deals like TTIP negotiated by european heads with us having a minimal say also concern me.
One of the reasons I voted no in the recent Scottish referendum was concern that the SNP were keen to stay in Europe and Scotland would then have even less control over our country than within the UK as we are so small.
I'm pro-European but not pro the current European union. It isn't working.

Taking Turkey in the EU would be utter madness.

Weird to cling to the EU for workers rights and not the unions. but sadly the unions powers have been eroded over the years and I am not as confident as I once was that they can protect working hours, paternity and maternity leave, NMW / living wage, working conditions etc.

I'm voting to leave. I don't have a problem in anyone knowing, though I don't openly advertise my stance as politics has a way of getting people all fired up.

The only thing that concerns me is Sturgeon that stupid bint of a woman saying it might prompt another Scottish independence vote, which I don't want.

She's not stupid. I like Nicola Sturgeon, just don't agree with many of her views and wish she'd unfreeze the council tax.

I think anyone that feels the need to call a politician a "stupid bint of a woman" just because they disagree with their views concerning.

Also find it very ironic that one of the reasons to vote No to leaving the UK that was hammered home was the importance of being in the EU and if it was a Yes vote then Scotland wouldnt be in the EU and this would be awful etc, and yet less than 2 years later that is looking like not being in the EU is a very likely possibility anyway!

But isn't Turkey joining the EU part of an agreement made with the EU, in return for Turkey stemming the flow of refugees through Europe?

Another reason to leave as the free movement of people only works if all countries are similarly wealthy and equally desirable places to live with similar standards of living.
If it was just a trading organisation it would be fine having lots of members, there needs to be laws re tradingto ensure goods are of similar quality and no corners being cut/ minimum wages etc so countries with high standards of care for employees don't lose out but that should be all..

Another reason to leave as the free movement of people only works if all countries are similarly wealthy and equally desirable places to live with similar standards of living.

^ not only this, but since so many people in Europe speak English as a second language, there will be proportionately more wanting to move to the UK anyway.

But isn't Turkey joining the EU part of an agreement made with the EU, in return for Turkey stemming the flow of refugees through Europe?

Sort of, it's a case of Turkey promising they won't let it get worse.
Not sure it's working though.

My boss has spent the day going on about how only stupid people will vote to leave and how worried she is.

Looks like I will be lying if she asks me outright....

My boss has spent the day going on about how only stupid people will vote to leave and how worried she is.

How completely inappropriate and wrong!

Europe is a mess. That's a given. It needs major change.

But, the EU, or the EEC, or the Common Market has led to the longest period of peace in Europe, ever. That is important (If you look at DCams's definition of important) It's especially important if you have DC's.

How many of you want to be at war, and your kids called up. Because the law to call them up is still there. On the on the statute book of the UK. And, without the EU it could really happen.

I would prefer my children to not experience war.

The EU is stiring up war, far rights groups are flourishing!

we do not have peace as a direct result of being part of the EU.

we have peace because no one in europe wants a massive war again.

civil war however may not be far off.

It was NATO that led to that long period of peace, not the EU.

The EU's aggressive expansionism eastwards is directly responsible for the recent outbreak of shittiness in the Ukraine.

And its incompetent dithering about the migrant crisis, and commitment to socialism for French and German bankers but Thatcherism for everyone else, combined with its indifference to the wishes of ordinary voters, is fanning the flames of far-right and far-left extremism all over the continent.

The populist anger the EU is fanning with its determination to break down national borders is going to end up creating the conditions for European nationalist conflict, as ordinary people get more and more extreme in their protests against homogenisation and more and more defensive of what shreds are left of their cultural identities.

^^ without a doubt Hugo, esp when peoples children and daughters are being attacked and noone is listening to them. the press suppresses reporting, Merkel suppresses it, and its all hushed up.

Because the law to call them up is still there. On the on the statute book of the UK. And, without the EU it could really happen.

And what about Jean-Claude Juncker's proposal for an EU army?

It does seem very unfair that Scotland's future in the EU is effectively in the hands of a bunch of Sun-reading white-van men, but hey, that's the bed they've made for themselves.

It does seem very unfair that Scotland's future in the EU is effectively in the hands of a bunch of Sun-reading white-van men, but hey, that's the bed they've made for themselves.

Either you are being sarcastic or throwing about sweeping generalisations that aren't actually true.

Neither of which are helpful.