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To be excited that David Cameron could be gone in 4 months

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feellikeahugefailure · 20/02/2016 14:05

I'm assuming now that BJ will support the brexit campaign and if we vote to leave DC will have no choice but to resign and BJ would be the obvious replacement.

Also I do think SC came across really well on bake off, she did seem lovely. I wouldn't mind her being PM.

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CornishDoll82 · 20/02/2016 16:25

Boris is indeed intelligent and articulate. Unfortunately he is also a deeply nasty, self serving person too

wasonthelist · 20/02/2016 16:37

corbyn and his motley crew haven't a hope in hell. When they speak most people just hear whale speak. It's a foreign language .

All I hear is spite and bile and angry stereotyping.

Oh the irony!

papayasareyum · 20/02/2016 16:39

remember last May when Mumsnet was frothing with numerous posts saying that the Tories were out and would never win a majority government? Remember the shy Tories? I think the EU vote could go in a similar fashion: shy Tories and shy Labour voters, who think it's social death to admit they're worried about immigration and being in the EU, voting out. They won't talk about it on here though. They'll keep it private in the polling booth.
I'm shocked at the confidence people have re staying in the EU. It's going to be a close thing.

wasonthelist · 20/02/2016 16:47

I seriously doubt people will vote to leave EU - surely most people will see it makes no sense and would leave us isolated in a world where one needs allies.

What kind of allies? Not seeing much evidence of any support for the UK from the other EU nations - they haven't offered Cameron any real concessions.

Can you explain what we're gaining from these "allies" that we wouldn't otherwise get?

We are a tiny little country currently being run into the ground by austerity.
Not quite sure what that means, but the austerity is a policy choice made by government elected and reinforced by the EU. When the Greeks voted for an anti-austerity government, the EU made them do as they were told anyway.

I actually feel a bit panicked thinking about what would happen if we exited Europe and someone as self- centred and inexperienced as BJ took over as prime minister.

I don't feel panicked about leaving the EU, for two reasons. 1.Life as we know it would continue - some things would be better, some worse. 2.It isn't very likely - even if we voted to leave (which I doubt will happen) there would be some re-arrangement that meant we didn't actually do it.

I don't feel panicked about Boris because I don't think he has enough Tory support to become PM (which is what he would need) and in any case, it wouldn't be for long.

Chipstick10 · 20/02/2016 16:48

I agree with you papa up to a point. Agree re shy Tories and shy labour and I would be very sceptical about polls, however I just think in this instance the In campaign will adopt scare tactics that will see the In win by a smallish margin

Chipstick10 · 20/02/2016 16:50

And I don't believe we will be isolated . We are big enough and ugly enough to go it alone .

ilovesooty · 20/02/2016 16:51

I imagine some people think Boris would be a good PM because he was a cracking sport playing at Wimbledon last year. Hmm

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 20/02/2016 16:56

papa I remember the MN threads in May where there were vurtually no Tory voters saying they would vote, I was always in a very small pool. I read the Scottish referendum threads beginning to end, although I'm not in Scotland just interested, there was a certainty towards the end that yes would win.

MN is not typical of the wider country? I don't think there are any guarantees about anything in this referendum.

One thing that people keep saying is that the government won't allow a leave vote to come to fruition. What do they mean? That the voting will be rigged?

lorelei9 · 20/02/2016 17:04

papaya, I do know what you mean re shy Tories and that it's hard to say you want to leave the EU. But I think in the end people will stick with the status quo.

TheAlchemist101 · 20/02/2016 17:11

When negotiating if you are on the point of walking away you then get the best offer - so if the vote results in a majority to leave I'd expect another offer from the EU that might lead to another vote, nothing is final in politics when so much is at stake.

HaveIGotAClue · 20/02/2016 17:13

Who is
BJ? Blow-jobber?
SC? Simon Cowell?

HaveIGotAClue · 20/02/2016 17:15

And for that manner - who is GC? Gemma Collins?

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 20/02/2016 17:16

Yep you've got it HaveIGot

VertigoNun · 20/02/2016 17:19

Blow jobber and Gemma Collins Grin

prh47bridge · 20/02/2016 17:19

BJ = Boris Johnson
SC = Samantha Cameron
GC = Not sure but given the context I think it is a typo and refers to Jeremy Corbyn

wasonthelist · 20/02/2016 17:20

One thing that people keep saying is that the government won't allow a leave vote to come to fruition. What do they mean? That the voting will be rigged?

No, that they would either re-run the referendum after further campaigning - or (more likely) they would do a further round of negotiations in Europe. Cameron would have a good case to go and ask for more from the EU if UK voters wanted to leave.

The French voted against the revised EU constitution in a referendum in 2005, so it had to be amended.

This referendum is, just like the last one, the result of a divided ruling party, not of a desire to seek the actual will of the electorate. If we vote to stay in, Cameron can say "now shut up" to the EU sceptics in his ranks - and that's what Harold Wilson was doing last time.

Chipstick10 · 20/02/2016 17:20

Re the vote being rigged. I can't say I know my onions on any given subject but wasn't there some sort of controversy regarding Ireland ? I just vaguely remember they had to vote again until Yes to joining the EU was reached. Am very happy to stand corrected on this .

HaveIGotAClue · 20/02/2016 17:22

Thanks prh47bridge

Will now read back and try to decipher this thread! Grin I'll be back, should I deem my opinion to be required.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 20/02/2016 17:27

Thank you wasonthelist that sounds a lot more reasonable than the scenario I was anticipating!

wasonthelist · 20/02/2016 17:58

wasn't there some sort of controversy regarding Ireland ? I just vaguely remember they had to vote again until Yes to joining the EU was reached. Am very happy to stand corrected on this .

You're right - they voted on the ratification of the Treaty of Nice twice - once in 2001 when they got the "wrong " answer, and again in 2002 when they agreed it - although to be fair, they did make some changes in between, and the no vote was on a very low turnout.

wasonthelist · 20/02/2016 17:59

It wasn't about joining or not though - they were in already and no-one was proposing leaving.

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feellikeahugefailure · 20/02/2016 18:34

Ha ha now I would love to see Gemma Collins in a position of power, she'd probably make a much better CotE than GB ever did!

I remember the threads saying the tories are out, this eu thing is too close to call at the moment. All it takes is for one big story and it could decide it. Just like that SE nail bar woman and tax credits.

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feellikeahugefailure · 20/02/2016 18:35

I don't know one single person that's going to vote to leave the EU, not one.

And the pro leave people say the same!

People surround themselves with similar people.

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Chipstick10 · 20/02/2016 18:48

Haha me and DH said the same thing this morning. We know of no one who is voting to stay.

lorelei9 · 20/02/2016 18:56

hmm
I'm voting to leave and I know of no one voting to leave....hence I keep my mouth shut in real life.

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