No, you have a mongrel

[CommanderShepherd]

Thoughts?

Although of course I will concede that people such as dung may need to be a bit more specific because of space/health needs when buying a pet!

I know exactly what you mean Goady - I feel the same really.

I do understand why people choose their own puppies though, but not so much where cats are concerned as IME one cat is similar to another (waits to be shot down in flames!) - I can't understand it when people who profess to love cats won't get a black or black and white from a shelter.

But dogs - I don't know; I guess I can see why people want a puppy, why people want a particular breed, and while it's true shelters don't always turn people away because of children they often do and other reasons like working full time or busy roads - friends of mine were rejected for working full time and they have a dog walker so their dog is not neglected but the mere fact that someone wasn't home all the time was a black mark.

Added to which, our local shelter is pretty much exclusively filled with staffs. It is really sad but I just couldn't have a staff. I like them actually but I will always need a smaller dog and one that would be good around cats.

I'm digressing too :) but I fully agree it's a damn shame

As other have said a pure bred crossed with a different pure bred does not mean a healthy mongral. It could mean all the genitic problems associated with each breed being transferred into this cross breed puppies. A dangerous game to play, as there are no regulations and people think (wrongly) they have a healthier pup as no longer a pedigree.

I'm out. I can't be doing! It's bizarre to me that I'm the weird one for giving two shits about dogs as a species rather than dogs as cute little backyard bred Toby/Alfie.

As a parting shot (because I clearly can't resist another kicking), if dogs are such easy little thangs that slot right in then why are rescues, and breed specific rescues, utterly bursting at the seams.

I'm completely bemused by this thread. OP, why are you so obsessed about labels?

Do you think the same about humans?

The narrower the gene pool of, say, a human, the worse their health. 'Pure' bred dogs have appalling g health and behaviours because it's invest. Why would you inflict that on an animal or insist that it's somehow 'better' then a healthily broad gene pool?

You wouldn't inflict it on an human, so why an animal?

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They aren't glitter - dogs are bloody hard work - but I don't think that's something exclusive to designer dogs.

Any puppy will have you on your knees after seven nights mine didn't because I co slept and practiced attachment parenting and was rewarded with separation anxiety - dogs end up in rescue centres for a myriad of reasons.
Emigration, death, change in circumstances, eviction, divorce ... The list goes on.

Incest*

I don't know if any posters have watched the video, but basically, there's no such thing as a pure bred. They are all poor dogs that have been inbred to the point of disabilities and genetic disorders.

*Today 22:10 TooOldForGlitter

It bothers me because I care about dogs. I mean, really, did that not come over? It bothers me that dogs are bred for cash and treated like toys and not walked or trained and then surrendered to rescues if they are lucky, and sold in Facebook if they are not. It bothers me that thousands of dogs are PTS so that others can buy crossbreeds from backyard breeders and puppy farms*

You are not weird, I completely agree with you.

I've had dogs all my life and this shit annoys me. You don't pick and match dogs ffs

Dogs aren't designer things to have. Pick a breed that suits you/lifestyle/family and go from there.

the right dog for us? I love them but have just had a terrible experience of having to rehome our first ever dog, a fox terrier, at 6 months as he was continually and often randomly aggressive. We had him from a good breeder at 8 weeks, followed all the socialisation advice, training and subsequent advice from a great behaviourist but still we couldn't stop the aggression

I hope that the poster doesn't mind me taking a piece from her thread, but I just thought that this shows that a puppy from a good breeder doesn't guarantee anything.

not so much where cats are concerned as IME one cat is similar to another (waits to be shot down in flames!) - I can't understand it when people who profess to love cats won't get a black or black and white from a shelter.

After my very old (nearly 19) moggie died, we bought two Burmese from a breeder, basically because of the personality of Burmese cats. Yes, we looked in shelters first, but didn't see any cats that appealed to us. I guess that makes us bad people, but both our girls were sold as pets (lots of 'flaws' - like I care). They are the loveliest cats I have ever met in my whole life - affectionate, playful, very bonded to us (possibly a bit too bonded - we're still trying to work out whether the cat who is slightly more mine actually stopped eating when we were away because she was pining, or because she was ill. We had someone in every day looking after them, who failed to notice, though.)
I like pretty much all cats (though less so long-hairs and pushed in face cats like Persians), but Burmese are something else.

What would concern me is if the breeder had an excellent example of a Newfoundland why cross it with an equally excellent example of a saint b? Because in reality they wouldn't do this, they would find a very good stud dog of the same breed.

These topics should really differentiate from rescue dogs, and litters that are deliberate and costing a great deal of money.

Really, this, AGAIN??? I always promise myself I wont get involved, because it's such a fucking ridiculous argument, but I always do because I feel like I need to defend my lovely, healthy labradoodle, mongrel, cross-breed, whatever the fuck you want to call him.

Whatever, call me a fool if you like. I've been called worse, and the counter-argument still makes no sense to me.

Yes, I paid a shit ton of money for him, and he's by far the healthiest, nicest dog i've ever known, so guess what, i'd pay it again in a heartbeat.

Perhaps don't call me a fool though if you've ever purchased an extortionately priced pedigree, and lined the pockets of the kennel club. They have a lot to answer for. Pugs, Sha-peis, German Shepherds, Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, bulldogs...these are all bred responsibly for the 'preservation' of the breed are they? Please explain why the fuck we're endorsing breed preservation of dogs that can't breathe properly, walk properly, have brains to big for their heads etc?

Also, please tell me, if your Bernese Mountain dog didn't come from mixed breeding at some point, then where the fuck did it come from, a fucking Bernese Mountain dog tree?

I have had my dog for seven years now, and I am yet to hear a single plausible argument as to why my labradoodle is apparently worth less than a pug, or a labrador? I've literally heard all of this bullshit before, ALL of it. Do you know what, if you don't want one, then don't get one, but unless you only have rescue dogs, then you have NOTHING to be superior about. Literally nothing.

I'm wondering why this concerns you so much OP? It seems a bit of an obsession with how other people live their lives - do you have the same concerns about people having iPhones rather than a cheaper smart phone, a period property rather than a modern box, clothes that don't come from supermarkets?

I think most people who were going to get puppies were going to get puppies anyhow, for whatever their reasons, whatever their breed or non-breed status. Those getting rescues also have their reasons.

Breeds came from wolves, now we are going back one tiny step - I'm not quite sure why so many people over excited.

I just don't get why your so anti crossbreeds my local rescue is full of Staffies, jack Russell's, collies and chiwawa (sorry can't spell it). You see them way more than mongrels not sure why it breaks your heart to think of crossbreeds unless it's cruel such as small mum huge dad in which case mums don't survive labour - that is cruel.

I find it hard to get worked up about names of dogs but it is sad that some people see ownership of certain types of dogs as a status symbol. It's fairly obvious that temperament, health etc are more important than how a dog looks!

Fwiw, we adopted an adult dog from a national rescue and we have three children, one aged only 2 (1 when we were approved as adopters). We were fully assessed and had to wait several months until we were matched with a suitable dog but it was worth the wait. Follow up has been excellent too and our dog has fitted into our lifestyle perfectly. Just a heads up to those who say they 'had' to buy a puppy because no rescue would rehome to them because they had young children!

Labradoodle is a poodle and and a lab right?

I don't know if any posters have watched the video, but basically, there's no such thing as a pure bred. They are all poor dogs that have been inbred to the point of disabilities and genetic disorders.

I watched the first little bit then had to go away and vomit. What a load of absolute shit.

If you take a dog (let's say a labrador) and you cross it with another (let's say a poodle) and you have done no health testing on the parents, then you are rolling the dice that the dogs will get any of the potential health problems from either parent, or even both. So that means the possibility of hip problems, elbow problems, thyroid problems, heart problems, ear problems, and goodness knows what else.

But if we take two dogs (let's say labradors), and the breeder has conscientiously done all of the required health testing that is available, then the chances of those puppies ever developing those health conditions is eradicated or greatly reduced. As such, a much healthier dog than in example one. Heck, if you really want to breed your labrador to your poodle then you're ok, but you must do the recommended health testing on both of the parents first.

I have ten generations of health testing on file for my dogs. My breed has eight different DNA tests available which means I can guarantee the dogs will not develop any of those eight conditions in their life. They're going to be a lot healthier than the ones that Mary down the road let Mitzy breed with Fluffy from next door so her children can witness the miracle of birth who come from unknown origins and have never been tested (it doesn't matter that Mitzy walks a bit funny after all, does it?).

Any dog that is made up of two breeds is a mongrel. Labradoodles, cock a poodles or laradoodledoos (or whatever) are pretty tho and are active and healthy. I would prefer one of them to a bulldog type dog that has problems breathing and walking (and are generally ugly)

Our friends got a puppy last year. It's got whippet, staffy and some sort of spaniel in it. It's fucking huge already and only 7 months :o.

If you ask them what sort of dog it is my mate will tell you it's a PITA. But they do love him. And they learned not to leave a loaf of bread out the hard way.

If someone wants to spend hundreds on a "cockerpoo" then that's their lookout but I've removed a puppy who turned in to a dog with quite complex needs due to the fact whoever bred her selected breeds on looks not temperament.

She's a beautiful creature but I doubt any inexperienced owners would be able to handle her properly. As they were not in her case, which is why she was abandoned in a local park and taken to the local dogs home.