No, you have a mongrel

[CommanderShepherd]

Thoughts?

I have a pedigree and a mongrel, both have health problems and both are naughty. Maybe this is my bad luck though

I must admit I hate seeing stupid names for dogs but if someone wants to part with a rediculous amount of money for essentially a non health tested mongrel then that's their problem.

Think anyone getting a dog whether cross breed or pure should get all the necessary health checks first. Many responsible breeders of poodle mixes do provide this.

Why do you think that ALL crossbreeds are not health tested? I purchased my CROSSBREED knowing what the testing of the mother and father were for the key diseases.

Plenty of health tested crossbreeds. There's a fb group just for advertising of cavachons from health tested parents. Admins won't let people advertise unless the person has scanned copies of health tests.

The father of our crossbreed has zero zero hips and elbows, and the mother really low scores Who knew there were responsible crossbreed breeders and owners out there?!

I work with dogs. I see and vaccinate hundreds of dogs a week. I would say less than 1/10 designer crossbreeds are health tested so sorry if I am biased but the truth is most of these dogs are money making schemes for puppy farmers and the like

Crossbreed, unless it's more than 2 breeds.

I got my puppy from the Dogs Trust aged 9 weeks - she is some chav's failed attempt at making money down the pub, flogging their 'Jaffies' (jack russell/staffy cross). They ended up with 7 unsellable pups - their poor dog was only 2 or so and it was her second litter, already, I was told. About time backstreet breeding was outlawed.

I do wonder what kind of 'breeders' would do this when they are sold at high prices as 'designer' dogs. Some moron who really should have known better, told me self-importantly, they were thinking of getting a 'labradooble', "because they don't shed". Well sorry, mate but labradors shed like bastards - how can you control which gene it inherits? Even within one litter there might be dogs that shed and dogs that don't...

Labradoodles and other doodle crosses are always hailed to be non shedding but it's not true.

There are some that are non shed and some that shed like mad.

It's well known that the labradoodle was originally bred to be a support dog for the blind for those that are allergic to dog fur.

The bloke who came up with the cross has said that he wishes he never did it

Not currently a dog owner as my current circumstances mean Imany not a valid good position/situation to have a dog. Hoping that will change soon though.

All my life we have had Heinz 57 varieties. Mostly rescue dogs. All u der 2 when we have taken them on.

Lovely dogs. Good temperaments. All lived to between 18 and 21. Few vets bills and of those only the last few years as old see crept up on them.

I like certain breeds Border collies and labs but would never ever buy off a breeder. There are too many lovely dogs out there in rescue centres waiting for a loving home.

If you ban breeding altogether, then you will eventually wipe out dogs altogether (which I'm sure PETA would love). There is still a place for responsible and ethical breeders to produce dogs and to keep gene pools alive and healthy. But there does need to be stricter controls to minimise any genetic health conditions and to provide a healthy animal population.

There is still a strong need for purebred animals that were bred for a purpose. The original breeders of the labradoodle, the Guide Dogs, abandoned the project because they were not suitable for purpose and have gone back to purebred labradors, with the outsourcing of other purebreds when the purpose requires (usually pedigree poodles for those with allergies, but I also know a few lagottos being used). Other therapy organisations have the same reasoning because they need to know what they are getting. Other dogs are bred for specific purposes - hunting, herding, search and rescue, police work, sniffer dog work. We need to maintain these, whilst also supporting rescue work, and trying to reduce the number of dogs in rescues.

I've long said that this needs to be from education of the buying public. You would never buy a car without expecting a warranty or a second hand car without expecting it to have a roadworthy check first, so why are people so willing to buy a dog who could be a part of their family for the next 15 years without expecting the parents to have any required health testing for their breed/breeds? Educate people where to responsibly and reliably source their pets and we might start to make a dent in the rescue population.

Greyhorses 'I work with dogs. I see and vaccinate hundreds of dogs a week. I would say less than 1/10 designer crossbreeds are health tested so sorry if I am biased but the truth is most of these dogs are money making schemes for puppy farmers and the like sad'

Yes, probably very true. We had to travel for a for a ten hour trip to buy our health tested cross-breed and I got fed up with the sort of breeders you are talking about. But it is not the cross-breed issue at fault here - it is the owners. Just the same sort of owners that put dogs in the pound and rescue centres in the first place.

The message should be about health checking any dog, being committed to any dog, training any dog.

I don't get the health testing thing. Are you saying if a pup had a chance of bad health, you wouldn't take it? How is that any better than a dog ending up in rescue??

It's basically an example of supply and demand. If people stop buying pups from dubious backgrounds, the breeders will no longer have a demand to supply and will give up on pimping their bitches out for profit. The decent breeders (although arguably while so many dogs are in shelters there is no such thing) will be unaffected.

Yes initially the first few rounds of pups will end up in rescue, where they will have a lifetime of support from said rescue and any health or behavioural issues that result from their breeding will be dealt with appropriately, but that is better than the never ending circle of sick and behaviorally abnormal pups that rescues and vets around the country are dealing with on a day to day basis.

The end result would be less pups in rescues because of bad breeding and being sold to the wrong homes for nothing more than a few quid in the breeders pocket.

Yes, it is a matter of supply and demand. Puppy sales are not a supply driven product, but a demand led one. Thus, the key element here is having educated purchasers who will be looking for puppies with the necessary paperwork from appropriate backgrounds. Do not blanket blame purchasers of crossbreeds as unethical and pure-breds as saintly - there are responsible and irresponsible in both lots.

Has anyone on here ever met, in the flesh, someone who actually bought an expensive crossbred puppy just because it had a silly name?

And can anyone tell me how I'm supposed to refer to my cockapoo, when that is the label used by the insurers, the breeder and the vet on all his papers?

Oh, and just to piss off anyone who is feeling feisty about the subject,

Yes, clam. It seems that cockapoo is a known term so it's easier to use it.

Breeding should be licensed and highly regulated as far as I'm concerned. Puppy farms destroy my soul :(

Kennels are already bursting at the seams, adopt one instead. I have a wonderful (and bat shut crazy) Staffy that we adopted and will always adopt.

Just had a look on my local rescue's website.

First 10 photos: 8 staffies and two huskies. Wouldn't want either breed, sorry.

My local rescue has lots of X Staffis, Staffies and Rotties. We already have a GS so we decided to get a small dog a porkie. Never in a million years would i rescue a Staff when i have children in the house.

midnite I call bullshit on your guide dogs turning their back on labradoodles. I spoke to a puppy trainer and fund raiser for guide dogs recently and labradoodles are used as much as labradors are. In fact they use any smart, easy to train, decent sized dog.

Never in a million years would i rescue a Staff when i have children in the house

I wouldn't rescue ANY dog with children in the house unless it had been properly assessed.

And the rescue that I linked to always has poodle mixes in, mostly unsold puppies, some older handed in by owners. Why do people do this? And why do people encourage more hate on already hard to adopt breeds? Because they are sitting nicely while other people deal with the rescues and putting dogs to sleep.

Terrible graphic design ;)

And I know for a fact that one person posting on here is a breeder who is pushing their own agenda.

midnite Most of the PAT dogs I know of are labradoodles. Know of a few doodle guide dog puppies too.