To find this poster in a train station wrong?

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Hi Mumsnetters,

I'd be interested to read your opinions about this poster. I don't want to say right now what I think about it, as I'd like to know how you'd interpret it.

TIA,
Megadude

LumpySpacedPrincess Mon 15-Feb-16 17:47:54 - Women are capable of being cautious without a poster campaign telling them to be cautious. The poster is more likely to reinforce a potential rapists viewpoint that women bring it on themselves.

This

Women - Take Care When You've Had A Night Out.

I mean what the hell?

Reminds me of ''Women - Know Your Limits''.

Well said liney

Baconyum
Everything you say about rape and society is correct. But to attach that to this innocent poster is farcical. I'm out now.

Reminds me of ''Women - Know Your Limits''.

God yes!

Quite a number of us on this thread see it as far from 'innocent'

If it had stuck to the message 'Look out for your friends', I'd have no problem with it. But the 'look after yourself' message is not one I like.

Yes women know your limits

Sadly I can do not have the option to decide if a man will make the choice to rape me or not it's his choice and this is why the message is wrong what I do is irrelevant

Take care of yourself, you are your own responsibility.

A few weeks ago, not a million miles from Cambridge, a young girl was on a night out. She had apparently consumed too much alcohol and was refused entry to a night club, thus becoming parted from her friends

She was found strangled the following day.

Females are more vunerable - take care of yourself and each other.

The thing about this kind of poster is that it all becomes part of an insidious cultural wallpaper that places the responsibility for women's safety on women, rather than on the people who hat women.

You can hear the defence barrister now 'did you have a drink? How many drinks? Why didn't you take more care?' Echoing the messages, which then chime with the jury, who then shift their attention to the 'risks' taken by the victim rather than the offences committed by the rapist. Boils my piss.

Also it's a rubbish message because it's so inconsistent. What does 'take extra care' even mean? Either their stations and services are safe for women or they are not. Responsibility for that lies with the franchise officers and their own actual police force, not women.

A great way of 'taking extra care' would be to man stations late at night and stick conductors on trains. But no. That costs money, so it's easier to salve corporate consciences by putting up meaningless posters...

I'm afraid I think this is an outing of the professionally offended. If I go out in the evening and I leave my front door and all my windows unlocked and my house is burgled, this is a crime. It's horrible and it's wrong and it would be a horrendous experience and I would be a victim of crime. However, I would have to take some accountability for the fact that I did not protect myself from a danger that I knew was there, however wrong it is. This poster is simply reminding people that they need to protect themselves from dangers they know are there, however wrong it is. I agree that there could/should be one for men too but I am glad that there is something, anything visible to remind people to protect themselves and each other.

My vagina is never 'unlocked' no matter how I am dressed or how drunk I am.

No pippity but you're much less likely to be able to defend it if you're blind drunk.

The burglary analogy... Sheesh.

Do let me know how I can participate in a normal, public life while simultaneously keeping my vagina under lock and key. My foofs not a laptop. I can't hide it away in the boot of my car when I jump on the train at night.

Which is nothing to do with the analogy of leaving something precious unguarded. It is my body, not a possession. Needing to defend ny own body does not equate to carelessly leaving my purse in view on a pub table.

And what Lonny said, much better.

THIS IS AWFUL.

THIS DESERVES CAPITAL LETTERS.

MEN, BE CAREFUL AND DON'T RAPE ANYONE.

The comparisons to theft are REEDEECULOUS

No, but you CAN protect yourself from criminals that we all know are there. Rape is wrong. Rapists should be shot. We all agree on that. But we know they exist. We know they are more likely, when you're on a night out, to target people who are drunk and alone because it's more difficult for those people to protect themselves. It's not right, of course it's not but that's the fact. If you don't protect yourself it still isn't your fault but the point of the poster is a gentle reminder to do so because we know these crimes exist. And as long as we do 'sheesh' to analogies like this, e ignore the fact that we can put steps in place to protect one another.

Women - 'next time you go out remember to check you've locked your vagina' - nope not getting the theft comparison either

No. You can't protect yourself from the rapists out there. It really doesn't matter if you are wearing a polo neck and ski-ing trousers, wearing a crucifix and stone cold sober. What a woman does or doesn't do is not the issue. You are not raped because you wore a short skirt so did not protect your prize possession of a vagina. You were raped because the man was a rapist.

If you don't protect yourself it still isn't your fault
is at odds with
However, I would have to take some accountability for the fact that I did not protect myself from a danger that I knew was there, however wrong it is
If it is thought that the victim can bear some of the responsibility for the crime by not taking every preventative measure possible, that will be used against the victim.

You can't protect yourself from the rapists out there

You can a little bit. It'd be great if that wasn't true, but it is.

You can't though. Unless you stay in (alone as of course you are more likely to be raped by someone you know) and never answer the door.

Have there ever been posters aimed at men, showing a bloke with a drunk girl hanging off him, along the lines of 'Stop your mate being a twat'?

yes www.theviolencestopshere.ca/dbtg.php