To find this poster in a train station wrong?

[megadude]

Hi Mumsnetters,

I'd be interested to read your opinions about this poster. I don't want to say right now what I think about it, as I'd like to know how you'd interpret it.

TIA,
Megadude

Seriously can't get worked up about it.

Why are folk going on about 'why isn't there a poster telling racists not to rape?' News flash people!!! Rapists are criminals and criminals don't do what they're told!

A poster campaign isn't going to make a rapist a into a great guy, but it might make someone less likely to wander off on their own at night.

It's not victim blaming, it's trying to appeal to the person who's most likely to pay attention to it.

Perhaps they do have a poster with men on / a mixed group too, but this one is the one with women on? I don't know - I'm not involved with the campaign.

yeah because women need it pointing out to them - what with their silly female brains and lack of awareness of rape and male violence

Bailey101 I refer you again to the BBC I think programme 'is this rape?'

Most rapists don't realise they're rapists! Because 'she's my wife/girlfriend' 'she didn't say no' but not taking into account that just saying no is not enough, or that the victim was incapacitated in some way, 'we've slept together before' 'she was flirting with me all night' etc etc as nauseum.

Don't see the problem with it. Don't see it as being victim blaming ethier.

Just a reminder that there's shit nasty people about. Doesn't mean it's your fault if something happens.

Baconyum That was pretty rude. Firstly, I have never been 'referred' anywhere by you and secondly, men who drag women into alleyways etc know they are rapists. That poster isn't warning about a husband raping a wife.

Sorry Baconyum, but if this wasn't such a serious subject I would be laughing at your post.
This is simply a poster asking people to look out for each other. Your entirely valid concerns should be directed elsewhere.

Bailey a lot of men don't - look at that cunty footballer

a lot of men feel entitled - and most rapes are by men known to the victim - landlords, flat mates, relatives, friends etc

Men dragging women down alleys is rare

It's vile, its victim blaming, it's not a general safety message and I'm very incredulous about people insisting they can't see anything wrong with it. There's no point saying that it's just a happy coincidence that it's women featured. Men are the default in our society, if it was a general safety message then it would be men on the poster.

YNBU. It's an insult. It's not womens' responsibility not to get drunk AKA having a night out and letting yourself go. It's is the responsibility of dirty disgusting evil beasts not to rape and violate.
X1,000

God this is depressing.

I doubt a poster saying Take Care When You've Had a Night Out is aimed at women to be wary of their relatives.

Think the poster is fine to be honest.

Just a reminder that there's shit nasty people about why do you think a) women need that pointing out to them b) ONLY women need that pointing out to them?

Perhaps badly worded in that I hadn't referred you personally to that programme. Very few rapes are a 'dragged into an alleyway' type in fact I've yet to heat of more than one and that was on crimewatch. All the ones I know of including those friends have been subjected to have been people they've at least been speaking to. My nearest city is Glasgow there's been some high profile rapes there in the past year or so, a few were initially believed to be 'dragged into an alley' type but when the perpetrators were caught/further evidence came to light, it turned out they knew the victims at least in a casual way. Often the woman thinking they were just chatting with a new acquaintance. Many of these perpetrators at least claimed to be unaware that what occurred was rape until the victim reacted.

The programme I'm referring to involves an oral rape of a sleeping woman, the young people interviewed for the purposes of the programme had truly shocking ideas about rape and consent. It was discussed on mn too. Definitely worth a look.

What about a poster aimed at men, saying that if one of your friends looks as if he's likely to rape somebody after a night out, stop him?

Thats a good idea. But really, shouldn't we have both?

Obviously no-one should ever do anything to hurt anyone. But they do, and wittering on about whose fault it is isn't much use when you're the one at risk.

Statistically its young men who are far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime on the street. Women are far more likely to be attacked at home.

I can't even responding to the "well you wouldn't leave your car/house unlocked" posts. Maybe someone else can run with it while I go cry into a pillow?

I really don't see it as rape. I see it as drunk girls falling on train tracks.

Victim warning is NOT victim blaming.

Nah complete bollocks re victim blaming. It's basically saying bad people are about and whilst you have your wits about you when sober your senses might not be the same when your trollied. Think it works as a good reminder to keep aware. If I was in a train station in a lovely drunken haze this would make me think twice

Sallyingforth it is not 'people' it is women only women.

What the hell is so funny about my post? It's the insidiousness of the attitudes still held in our society regarding women generally and rape in particular that mean women are still 2nd class citizens, still blamed (even in court) if they are raped, still held responsible for not being raped.

I think threads like this should be essential reading for the CPS, especially the barristers prosecuting alleged rapists and needing to understand how and why juries acquit so frequently in the face of prima facie evidence.

I can't even responding to the "well you wouldn't leave your car/house unlocked" posts.

No, it's really difficult to answer such a clear analogy.

It's only women being "warned". Curious.