To find this poster in a train station wrong?

[megadude]

Hi Mumsnetters,

I'd be interested to read your opinions about this poster. I don't want to say right now what I think about it, as I'd like to know how you'd interpret it.

TIA,
Megadude

Booming I would have absolutely no problems with a poster saying 'Men don't rape women' nor a poster which explained active consent.

Lonny- alas the missing comma!

I honestly feel as if some posters are deliberately being obtuse. I don't think it's a hard reach to look at a poster featuring three young women dressed for a night out and suggest that it isn't clear that it is about rape. That it is somehow just a 'general message'. Even objectively I cannot see how it is about anything other than sexual assault.

Bertrand the comma of patriarchy

Of course some posters are being deliberately obtuse.

There are plenty of people, women and men, who have a vested interest in discrediting anything feminists say. I'm still not sure what that vested interest is, but it's definitely there. You only have to look at how quickly they escalate civilized debate to insults. And what a good job they've done in convincing feminists that we are the ones being patronizing, dismissive or aggressive. How many of us hold back, or at least hesitate before contributing, because anything we say is ridiculed or called bullying or aggressive so the point can be disregarded?

Just yes, yes to everything you said there Bertrand

11.02 Ah. The last refuge of the under thinker!

12.01 You only have to look at how quickly they escalate civilized debate to insults

This is what I expect of posters warning me to take care in case accidents happen. The risky behaviour is clearly named and though it is a man in the picture, it is clear to me that it's something that either sex might do.

It doesn't suggest that he's drunk, or wearing provocative clothing, or needs his friends to look out for him in case anyone is out to get him or that if he can't find a chaperone then he should stay at home.

Exactly, limited.

Although this poster series does get up my nose for different reasons. I find the 'won't hurt you' refrain rather finger-wagging, like an officious teacher.

But at least they aren't victim-blaming or sexist.

though it is a man in the picture, it is clear to me that it's something that either sex might do.

Yes, because still socially "man" means "person" and "woman" means "not a man". A poster with a woman on it is taken to be aimed at women only, because men couldn't possibly be represented by a woman.

Sorry, Sallyingforth-I am completely fed up of this "ooooh, the nasty feminists upset me" stuff.

You have already called any questioning of the poster "extreme feminist claptrap" and refused to engage in any discussion of it. You asked questions and then said you weren't prepared to acknowledge the answers.

You have said that any concerns about the poster are "farcical" "rubbish" and "imaginary".

In the face of that, suggesting you might be under thinking the issue strikes me as being entirely reasonable.

I find the 'won't hurt you' refrain rather finger-wagging, like an officious teacher.

I feel exactly the same way every time I pass it onlyLovers. Nobody's perfect

I agree MrsHathaway. If the poster featured a woman, I believe many people would think it applied only to women. So until the glorious day when people don't think like that any more, I will accept that posters giving safety advice to both sexes should probably feature men.

MrsHsthaway, as I said earlier, if this is a general poster suggesting that the population at large stay safe it is actually a moment of feminist triumph. The first time ever that a group of women has been used to represent people of both sexes.!

"Then conveniently overlook the response 'Different campaigns feature different groups' "

I didn't overlook it. I ignored it because I assumed you hadn't realized it wasn't a public poster campaign. Of course there's advice online for men. However, nobody seems to see any need for simplistic posters in public places warning them to stick together to keep safe.

Am i missing something its

Thats not a poster on public display its tips on keeping safe

Really should refresh before posting

In my defence i was double checking the site

Itsmine I did look at the link you posted but I couldn't see that it was a campaign as such? Just general online advice was all I saw.

Oh and i've bloody cross posted again Lunching and typing do not mix....

Sorry, Sallyingforth-I am completely fed up of this "ooooh, the nasty feminists upset me" stuff.

But I'm not in the least upset, Bert ;)
I just think you are very much over-thinking it. That's my opinion and nothing you have said has persuaded me otherwise.

If you are 'completely fed up with me' then you are welcome to ignore what I have said.
Now if you'll excuse me I'll have to go because DP has arrived home early and I'd rather be talking with him. Bye :)

Have a lovely afternoon. When you've got a moment, perhaps you could have a think about why it seems to be OK to be incredibly rude to feminists- but not for feminists to say anything even remotely challenging in reply.

If you ever come back, Sallying, I'd very much like to hear which posts here you regard as 'extreme feminist claptrap'.

And also your answer to Bertrand on the double standard about being rude to feminists.

itsmine-can I just check before I waste any more time. Do you really not understand, or are you promoting some sort of "anything feminists think I will think the opposite because they must be wrong" agenda? Because if you genuinely don't understand, I'll carry on. Otherwise, not.

Of course it is different if it is in a public place