To find this poster in a train station wrong?

[megadude]

Hi Mumsnetters,

I'd be interested to read your opinions about this poster. I don't want to say right now what I think about it, as I'd like to know how you'd interpret it.

TIA,
Megadude

WRT the Party Girl poster, it is so bizarre we should surely have a caption competition.

We could have ...

"Remember! Don't drink and carry out leveraged trades".

will people not say to their daughters : stay with your friends. Put money back for a taxi . Call me if you can't get a taxi no I'd say that to my children regardless of their gender - but that's not what this poster is saying

I'm still waiting to hear if I was close with my guess on the party girl poster

crotchet, to be fair, that was a response to a stream of dismissive comments and a claim that the poster was 'overthinking'.

If you're going to call out the response, you ought to call out what provoked it, too.

Blond- your son is much more at risk than your daughter is-regardless of their relative size. And not because of female predators- but because of other men. Young men are the group most likely to be attacked in public. So everything you say to your daughter you should be saying-and more- to your son.

And that's not political correctness- that's plain practical common sense.

"I find it really dismissive when people just cry 'bingo' and 'full house'"

I only say things like this when I have been accused of "political correctness" or "overthinking".

The discussion has mostly been considered and thoughtful on both sides- I am afraid it's SOME of the "I can't see an issue with it" brigade who lowered the standard of debate. But interestingly, as usual people assume that it's the broadly feminist posters who are being rude and dismissive, not noticing what might have led up to the remarks you object to.

there were several similar responses earlier in the thread as well, a variety of similar statements, directed more generally at anyone who didn't agree. And as for that specific statement, I don't think saying that people are over-analysing a poster is the same as calling them under-thinking - there is a subtle but important difference there to me. All of it just puts me off. I gave my opinion, I found it interesting to read others' opinions to start with; then it became more dismissive and it feels like there is no point anyone with a different viewpoint contributing, since it won't be taken seriously. It's not for me any longer.

Mmm. I didn't read it like that, crotchet, but fair enough that you do.

Agree crotchet some very patronising posts up thread basically sayin people who don't see it are either wrong or trying not to see it.

As I also said I have wen a victim myself in this exact Fkin situation in which I walked home alone drunk in the dark. I think that's why I feel so angry when my opinion is dismissed not because my opinion is any more valid but if I don't feel offended by this poster don't tell me it's because I'm stupid or haven't thought about it !!!!

crotchet I totally agree with you.

The Op asks a Question.

Others reply. All good.

Then, people reply with a different viewpoint.

And the Mumsnetters that CANNOT consider any opinion other than their own, wade in with arsy comments, insisting that they are right and that anyone who thinks otherwise must be a total twerp.

Incidentally the "full house" comment was aimed at me. I didn't really understand what that was meant to convey?

I just assumed it was someone unable to debate a point with any literacy or maybe they were on the loo with a very small phone

I can't see anyone accusing anyone of being hard of thinking, just of under-thinking something, which is absolutely fair enough after being accused of over-analysing.

Yes, they did. I get that you've tried to make people look immature and silly by using the particular turn of phrase, "they started it", but it doesn't change the fact that they did.

Or the worst one 'victim blaming'
Yes I definitely do that. NOT

It'sme did you join this thread just to fan the flames of an argument

I think that's just as bad as being dismissive and calling people stupid

If it's politically correct to challenge everyday sexism count me amongst the people who have gooooooorn mad all day long

blonde, I see it exactly the other way around. Doesn't prove I'm right, but shows how differently people can read a thread!

To me, it felt like this:

1. OP asks a question about the poster.
2. Several posters insist this is rape culture and worrying.
3. Several posters start claiming that these people don't care about rape, don't care about women being raped, and start flinging out insults, twisting what's been said and ignoring everything they can't twist.
4. Many posters who weren't partisan on either side feel alienated.

But iv mentioned this up thread and didn't get a response do / will people not say to their daughters : stay with your friends. Put money back for a taxi . Call me if you can't get a taxi

How is that any different hearing that from someone to seeing it on a poster ??

None of those things are on the poster.

Blonde, the full house comment was me. It's a bingo reference, in response to/in the spirit of the comments on here about how feminists are so often dismissed as being 'hysterical' 'ranting' and 'shrill' among other things. (and, for clarity, I'm NOT saying anyone on here has actually levelled those accusations at anyone, just that this type of response has been alluded to).

As for literacy, well, I've posted several posts on this thread as well as the bingo one, so if you'd like to judge my literacy/debating level then you have quite a lot of opportunity to do so.

Hey Miss Office Party

Dont forget a change of sensible shoes and jeans to avoid slips, trips and falls (of penises)

biscuit

No the poster also doesn't say stay in a group to avoid been raped yet we've managed an 18 page discussion on that very thing.

I actually find the 'stick with your mates' thing so limiting.

I want to go home when I want to go home.
I don't want to get in an endless taxi loop of dropping people off in the city.
At home in my small village which just happens to have a busy touristy main street with lots of pubs, I'm happy walking home in the dark, through a network of unlit lanes, and don't want to wait three hours for a mini-cab.
I especially don't want to get in a car with a friends OH and make conversation because he insists on picking her up and then feels like he somehow needs to protect me too.

I'm an adult woman and I make my own decisions about getting home.

Hey Miss Office Party

I just pinched your bum because your shoes say you want me too

If only your friends where with you

I can't help myself

If only you'd be educated by a poster warning you never to go out alone

Women - know your place?

That's pretty much how I see it Jeanne.

Know your place indeed ghosty 😡