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To think the in-laws are being very unfair to us

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Flugelpip · 13/02/2016 22:12

This is long and complicated and I genuinely want to know if I'm being unreasonable. So.

My in-laws inherited a large sum of money from my MIL's parents a few years ago. My in-laws were never wealthy (MIL didn't work, FIL had ups and downs so they knew periods of limited income). They used some of the money for having fun which they richly deserved, but they aren't extravagant and have a lot left over. They own their house but are very aware of nursing home expenses etc they may have in the future, which is sensible, right, good and proper.

MIL is one of two. Her sibling got half of the inheritance, although she was never very involved in looking after the parents (whereas MIL was). MIL's sibling kept most of her part of the inheritance but gave a large sum to each of her two children so they could buy houses etc, and it was gratefully received.

MIL also has two children. One, my DH, has received almost nothing - a few hundred pounds. The other is financially disastrous. Whatever DH's sibling wants, MIL pays for, from buying them a house outright (because they couldn't get a mortgage as one is bankrupt and anyway they had no savings for a deposit) to buying groceries, paying for nursery fees, childcare, redoing their garden THREE times, swimming lessons for the children, expensive hairdressing, regular massages and therapy, clothes and shoes, between three and five new cars as far as I know (of the Range Rover sort, not Nissan Micras), thousands of pounds of business investments, hundreds on jewellery repairs, eye surgery, private cosmetic dentistry... DH's sibling works part-time and has turned down full-time jobs because it's too stressful to work full-time (remember, they have no money at all, massive debts, and no childcare expenses). DH's sibling's partner is 'an entrepreneur' but has never made a profit in any business. The expenses are constant and MIL pays for everything. DH's sibling is very close to the in-laws geographically and emotionally and has always been good at handling the in-laws.

Meanwhile, DH and I are self-employed. DH is struggling financially thanks to government cost-cutting, which the in-laws know. I am in a marginally better position at the moment and have been keeping DH out of his overdraft with my savings, which I'd put aside for badly needed home improvements. Our (very ordinary semi-detached) house is barely functional and needs new bathrooms, a new kitchen and some structural building work, desperately. These are not cosmetic improvements - everything is broken and nothing works. We've lived here for five years in very poor conditions. My in-laws have complained for years about how cold the house is when they come to stay, and about the bathrooms not working properly, and about how shabby/untended our garden is. We work all the time and I keep the place clean and tidy but I cannot relay a lawn. Now that my children are old enough to notice, they have started asking why our house is so cold and dirty and why nothing works. We have to live in London for DH's work and we can't afford to move anywhere better, even if it is a smaller house. Until the major work is done on the house we can't do smaller improvements like sorting out the garden, so we are stuck. We basically have no choice but to do the work on it, somehow. We have started getting quotes, hoping that we can borrow more on our mortgage (which could be problematic given DH's situation), and MIL asked how much it was going to cost. I told her our first estimate (which is five times the amount I've saved in five years).

'Oh, that's such a lot of money. I wish we could help you.' (in a wistful tone of voice, not offering.)
I said, 'It is a lot of money.'

End of conversation.

I don't think adult children should expect anything at all in the way of support from their parents as a matter of course; I've never asked my parents for money for anything in my adult life (not that they have it). My DH doesn't ever ask his parents for anything. I believe in saving up, working hard, budgeting and waiting for the chance to do things.

But this is boiling my piss. They don't seem to see that they are treating their children totally differently. MIL's parents would be devastated to know DH (who they adored) was being cut out. Even though they were closer to MIL they were scrupulously fair about dividing their wealth between their children and would expect MIL to do the same, and MIL's sibling has set that example (which MIL thinks is WONDERFUL and told us about!). MIL has said that their wills allow for DH to get the equivalent of what his sibling has borrowed for the house before the remainder is divided between him and his sibling but I really think there won't be anything left by then (and anyway, I hate the idea of waiting for someone to die to see what we can get). (Also, real talk: it could be decades.) I do not care what MIL does with her money if she's spending it on herself - she can throw it in a hole if it makes her happy. But I think she is being unfair to DH (who is quietly upset about it) and to half of her grandchildren. My sibling-in-law is very irresponsible about money and all I have said to MIL is that she's not helping by bailing them out constantly as there will come a point when the money is gone or my in-laws will need it and they'll be stuck. I've NEVER hinted that I think the situation is unfair. I've NEVER criticised them when they say, 'Oh, we've put another 10K into the business because it will fix this problem and then everything will be fine' (and it never is). I don't even talk to DH about it because I don't want to pressure him into complaining. Still.

Piss.

Boiling.

If anyone's still reading, AIBU?

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Lovepancakes · 16/02/2016 20:39

I agree with others who've said you either raise it or just appreciates that you manage for yourselves and stand on your own two feet - which is a good thing. You have such an understandable reaction to seeing siblings being treated differently (your DH and his sister) but analysing or comparing your own circumstances will just encourage worse resentment when I actually see your ILs as potentially vulnerable here, giving more than they perhaps should as it is already without the underlying idea of you wanting to highlight your family needs too.

I'm a great believer in just getting by with what you have and finding joy in making this work- a cold house as long as it isn't damp wouldn't worry me if we could wear warm enough clothes .
The losers here will be your ILs though as any resentment you can't help will sadly drive your family away or worsen the situation.

These are only my thoughts but I feel great sympathy too as would never treat our DC like this unless I'd explained it sensitively to them first eg if felt one was more vulnerable at the moment

Helmetbymidnight · 16/02/2016 20:44

I identify and empathise with you!

It sucks, big time.

cornishglos · 16/02/2016 20:57

Treat people as individuals. My ILs pay for EVERYTHING for my sis-in-law. Meals out, holidays, everything. I don't care. We're not well off but we get by. She's worse off but just very immature and expects her parents to support her. Doesn't bother me. We're different. I don't think they favour her, it's just a pattern they've got into.

Flugelpip · 16/02/2016 22:58

mrsmuddlepies I am trying very hard not to be annoyed by your comments about me! They seem very rude and judgemental. I am very, very accommodating to the PILs and nothing but nice to them. I always have been. MIL is obsessed with her other DC and the marriage and the children of that marriage, and none of that has anything to do with me/my DH.

I recognise that they are concerned about their grandchildren who are in a dreadful position, with two parents who are not earning very much and have massive debts or bankruptcy to work out. The level of their parents' financial irresponsibility is beyond belief but bailing them out all the time is not helping. I worry about how they will all end up and I know my MIL is terribly concerned about it, so I get it.

I'm not a grasping DIL. I would have liked them to offer to loan us the money which is considerably less than they have given their other child. I am the main earner; it would be my responsibility to pay them back and I would do it as soon as I could, with absolute joy that I could, and with gratitude to them (and interest, so they didn't lose out). My PILs inherited the money from DH's grandparents, who were very proud of him and he was very close to them, even as an adult. The grandparents (who I knew and loved) would be horrified to know they are giving everything to their other DC, not because they preferred my DH but because they were very fair themselves. DH doesn't care about money and never has. He's very independent and is not highly motivated to endure building work at the best of times so he would never ask for money. If you read carefully, you'll see that I'm not asking him to.

I have never asked them for anything in case they were embarrassed by the request - but I have said, very truthfully, that DH is struggling financially, that it's hugely stressful, and told them actual figures for what I've given him from savings to bail him out and what I've saved for the house improvements and what they will actually cost (five times the amount I've saved in five years, at least) so they know our situation. This was in the context of talking about their other child's financial situation, not me sitting them down to talk up our poverty. I don't think it would be right to pretend we are well-off or stable when we are neither. I am very worried about getting into huge debt with a bank as we are both self-employed. I'm earning well at the moment but it's extremely variable from year to year, so it's a gamble and borrowing from them would take an element of risk out of it. Bear in mind that they have no chance of seeing anything back from their other DC. Our fear of debt is why we've spent five years coping with the house as it is. I guarantee you that the PILS have no idea that I feel upset that they have said, without even being asked, that they can't help us, but I also guarantee that there is no point in telling them. It could only be hurtful and would achieve nothing but distancing us even further.

Quickly in answer to other people's questions, I can't ask my parents because they have very poor health. They need any spare money they have a lot more than I do and I hope they use it. I also don't think they have much available cash and I'm not inclined to think they should re-mortgage their house for our sake.

I would be much happier if MIL was spending all the money on herself and FIL or investing it wisely or planning to spend it on all the grandchildren when they get to university age, even if we could use it now - all of those are reasonable, I think. My PILs haven't had an easy life in some ways and I am very fond of them so I want them to enjoy their retirement while they are fit and well. MIL's parents gave her and her sibling a lot of money when their DCs were younger to pay for education etc so there is a family tradition of helping out the younger members - they're just not extending it to us at all. They adore DH's BIL. I would not say they adore me but I don't think I'm the reason they've decided not to help us. If I am the reason, it's not what I've done or said but who I am and I can't help that (things like my nationality and upbringing). As I've said, I am extremely nice to them and welcoming, and not in a false way. I don't feel entitled to a gift of anything but I wish we could make use of the inheritance as the others have (DH's sibling and cousins, although all three of them received large lump sums as a gift and we would be happy with a loan).

I just can't bear the double-standard that affects my DH, my DCs and, a long way down the line, me. I'm also fairly sure that my PILs will end up with nothing at all. MIL has already said to me that she wishes she had said no to some of the investments but that hasn't stopped her from going on and on with it, because she can't let them down. I came here to vent and to see if it was unreasonable to get angry about it. The majority feel it's reasonable but pointless to get upset and I'm happy to take that and go on with my life.

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Flugelpip · 16/02/2016 23:01

And thanks for the lawn advice, everyone!

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GarlicBake · 17/02/2016 01:31

family mythology dictates that one adult child has to be treated with kid gloves and propped up

This, a thousand times this. Wherever there's a dysfunctional imbalance in a family, there is always a mythology; a narrative; a schema.

I like SnobblyBobbly's story of finally talking to her mum about it, with what looks to have been exactly the right balance of detachment and concern. In some families, the shared mythology can be so strong that they feel challenging it will destroy them. The fact that Snobbly was able to address the matter, in itself, shows the story wasn't too deeply embedded. It was more a habit than a cult.

I wonder, Flugel, whether your H has actually bought into it? Is he afraid a loan would trigger interference, or is it more that he feels it sacrilegious to query the "needs support" storyline? It feels a little strange that you relayed his misgivings without comment - do his parents interfere with SIL's life in other ways? Would it happen to you? Or is it really that he's in the 'cult'?

I'm not trying to recommend any particular course of action - apart from making sure you actually ask! It's just that I find this stuff fascinating Grin

biggles50 · 17/02/2016 10:34

Flugelpip my heart goes out to you and your dh. We've had similar in our family and it's tough. But if your husband doesn't say something the resentment will build up. Just wondering if next time he's alone with his sister he should bring it up in conversation, completely bypassing his parents. Light but questioning "I've noticed that Mum and Dad are pretty generous to you guys, Jeez I'm trying not to get jealous but new x and new x and they paid for x" . He has to open up a conversation. It'll be interesting to see how it goes.

Flugelpip · 17/02/2016 10:47

It is fascinating, Garlic - I'd be even more fascinated if it didn't affect me directly! Grin

DH is completely fed up with his 'fragile' sister for taking his parents for granted. His sister is very spoilt and demanding in how she deals with things, like getting a dog when her parents had asked her not to (as they paid for/looked after/fed her previous dog). She gives them a focus in life and spends a lot of time with them, though, and they are very involved with day-to-day life with her family as they look after the DCs some of the time. The PILs used to have a lot of hobbies/activities and friends but as they've got older they've dropped most of them and now their main 'job' is her family. I think they would be devastated if she moved away, for instance. Being so far away from us, they are not able to be as involved.

DH is allergic to drama of all kinds and was very quiet and withdrawn in his childhood because it revolved around his sister and her issues. He is blamed for being distant as a child, as if a child is aware enough to make a deliberate choice to be distant and it had nothing to do with the parents' behaviour. MIL has asked me why I think he is/was so withdrawn and I didn't tell her what I think because a) it's too late and b) they would be defensive about how they behaved. They are baffled by DH but respond by trying to take him down a peg or two.

PILs are very firm, practical people who are highly critical of, for instance, spending money in a way they see as extravagant. I have lied to them about spending my own money on some things so they don't criticise me for it. MIL forbade me to have the wedding dress I wanted (which she wasn't paying for) because she thought it cost too much. She also wasn't paying for the wedding so it wasn't as if she was trying to trim the overall budget. She just thought it was 'a ridiculous amount of money'. I did not make the mistake of telling her how much the eventual dress was! I recently mentioned that I wanted to get a larger kitchen table as ours is a four-seater we've had since 2004 and we can't have people around for lunch with their children or all sit together when the PILs are here. She thought it was unnecessary as it extends (but is still really a four-seater because of where the legs are, and we only have four chairs anyway). And that's my money I'm talking about spending!

I can make PILs sound like monsters but they are really not - I'm not mentioning all the good things about them, and there are many. They are strongly judgemental about us, though, and would be very involved with our plans if we borrowed money from them so it's probably not worth it. It's annoying that they assume we (I) would piss it up the wall but there we are.

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Schwabischeweihnachtskanne · 17/02/2016 11:34

I think mrsmuddles is right when she says "The sister probably makes the PILS feel needed and necessary" - as you say Flugel - she is dependant on them for a certain amount of child care on top of the nursery they pay for, for dog sitting, as well as financially, and they spend a lot of time together and supporting her family has become their job/ hobby.

From the outside (as a family member looking at the situation from a bit of a physical distance or as an actual outsider) it looks like a very unhealthy sort of co-dependency (a potentially ruinous level of financial help in return for feeling needed and involved) but I suppose your PIL have come to see it as normal and preferable to being less intimately enmeshed with an independent adult child like your DH...

Helmetbymidnight · 17/02/2016 11:55

Op, this is so like our situation, it's incredible!

I get v angry on dh and our dcs behalf but dh wavers between hurt and resignation.

And yet they are 'nice' people.

WhoaCadburys · 17/02/2016 12:01

Wise words Schwabischeweihnachtskanne

Xmasbaby11 · 17/02/2016 12:02

Yanbu. They are being incredibly unfair and I'd be upset they are falling over themseles to help their other child. Your DH needs to speak up.

PurpleCrazyHorse · 17/02/2016 12:10

I can also identify and sympathise. I think when PIL die, DH will have no contact with his brother due to financial favouritism and the wedge it has driven between them.

We've moved away as one of the benefits is we don't have our noses rubbed in it so much.

Flugelpip · 17/02/2016 12:29

DH is totally un-money-minded and just won't allow himself to care about it so will probably keep in touch with his sibling/family even if the money is all gone. It's not my fight, so I'm not going to cut them off either.

I do think it's an unhealthy set-up for everyone involved. If we lived nearer to them (as we would if they'd stayed where they were) then we might be closer to them emotionally but I doubt it. I remember telling them when I was pregnant the first time. They looked at one another and then MIL started talking, more or less at random, about her other child who was not TTC or even in a relationship. I think they were worried the other child might be upset that I was pg. It was... disappointing.

The other child once caused a sensation (as an adult) at a family party by sobbing hysterically that DH would never have children so the burden to reproduce was ALL ON HER. We weren't there, fortunately. She'd never discussed it with DH or me. She'd just decided it was true.

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Helmetbymidnight · 17/02/2016 12:40

His sister is very spoilt and demanding in how she deals with things, like getting a dog when her parents had asked her not to (as they paid for/looked after/fed her previous dog).

Yes, she got a crazy rescue dog for the parents to look after ALL DAY when she's at work. No discussion, nothing.

She gives them a focus in life and spends a lot of time with them, though, and they are very involved with day-to-day life with her family as they look after the DCs some of the time.

All the time.

I guess the gives them the focus in life thing is key isn't it. They feel needed and wanted by her - even though they are treated quite appallingly - never 'asked' to do things but TOLD they will do them. It's a very weird dynamic, I think its codependant, and I struggle with it not least because my DF has always bent over backwards to be fair to us all.

GnomeDePlume · 17/02/2016 13:18

I think the suggestion to have a very pragmatic conversation with PiL is a good one. If they tell you about 'investing' in DBiL's venture then you are free to comment.

Be clear with them that once all their money has been burned through by their DD there will not be a home for them (or their DD & family) with you.

You are seen as the 'copers' in your DH's family. Now would be a good time to manage their expectations.

Flugelpip · 17/02/2016 13:23

Helmet this is creepy! But Flowers for you too. It's not always fun being the good kids but it's better than the alternative.

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theclick · 17/02/2016 17:27

I feel like every week there is this sort of thread. I wonder how many of us are actually the SIL's in the situation. To be honest it's crazy and happens in my family too. Exactly as another poster described - my DH was always the quiet one as a child, the SIL the overbearing, loud, dramatic one, who now receives a lot of help from my IL's. Both in terms of money and childcare (the childcare in particular is crazy - i don't think my IL's get a day off at all). Thankfully we are in a position where we don't need their money. But if we did, my god it would grate, because my DH and I are not the sort of people to ask outright for it. I wish we were. Maybe one day we will need it.

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