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To think the in-laws are being very unfair to us

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Flugelpip · 13/02/2016 22:12

This is long and complicated and I genuinely want to know if I'm being unreasonable. So.

My in-laws inherited a large sum of money from my MIL's parents a few years ago. My in-laws were never wealthy (MIL didn't work, FIL had ups and downs so they knew periods of limited income). They used some of the money for having fun which they richly deserved, but they aren't extravagant and have a lot left over. They own their house but are very aware of nursing home expenses etc they may have in the future, which is sensible, right, good and proper.

MIL is one of two. Her sibling got half of the inheritance, although she was never very involved in looking after the parents (whereas MIL was). MIL's sibling kept most of her part of the inheritance but gave a large sum to each of her two children so they could buy houses etc, and it was gratefully received.

MIL also has two children. One, my DH, has received almost nothing - a few hundred pounds. The other is financially disastrous. Whatever DH's sibling wants, MIL pays for, from buying them a house outright (because they couldn't get a mortgage as one is bankrupt and anyway they had no savings for a deposit) to buying groceries, paying for nursery fees, childcare, redoing their garden THREE times, swimming lessons for the children, expensive hairdressing, regular massages and therapy, clothes and shoes, between three and five new cars as far as I know (of the Range Rover sort, not Nissan Micras), thousands of pounds of business investments, hundreds on jewellery repairs, eye surgery, private cosmetic dentistry... DH's sibling works part-time and has turned down full-time jobs because it's too stressful to work full-time (remember, they have no money at all, massive debts, and no childcare expenses). DH's sibling's partner is 'an entrepreneur' but has never made a profit in any business. The expenses are constant and MIL pays for everything. DH's sibling is very close to the in-laws geographically and emotionally and has always been good at handling the in-laws.

Meanwhile, DH and I are self-employed. DH is struggling financially thanks to government cost-cutting, which the in-laws know. I am in a marginally better position at the moment and have been keeping DH out of his overdraft with my savings, which I'd put aside for badly needed home improvements. Our (very ordinary semi-detached) house is barely functional and needs new bathrooms, a new kitchen and some structural building work, desperately. These are not cosmetic improvements - everything is broken and nothing works. We've lived here for five years in very poor conditions. My in-laws have complained for years about how cold the house is when they come to stay, and about the bathrooms not working properly, and about how shabby/untended our garden is. We work all the time and I keep the place clean and tidy but I cannot relay a lawn. Now that my children are old enough to notice, they have started asking why our house is so cold and dirty and why nothing works. We have to live in London for DH's work and we can't afford to move anywhere better, even if it is a smaller house. Until the major work is done on the house we can't do smaller improvements like sorting out the garden, so we are stuck. We basically have no choice but to do the work on it, somehow. We have started getting quotes, hoping that we can borrow more on our mortgage (which could be problematic given DH's situation), and MIL asked how much it was going to cost. I told her our first estimate (which is five times the amount I've saved in five years).

'Oh, that's such a lot of money. I wish we could help you.' (in a wistful tone of voice, not offering.)
I said, 'It is a lot of money.'

End of conversation.

I don't think adult children should expect anything at all in the way of support from their parents as a matter of course; I've never asked my parents for money for anything in my adult life (not that they have it). My DH doesn't ever ask his parents for anything. I believe in saving up, working hard, budgeting and waiting for the chance to do things.

But this is boiling my piss. They don't seem to see that they are treating their children totally differently. MIL's parents would be devastated to know DH (who they adored) was being cut out. Even though they were closer to MIL they were scrupulously fair about dividing their wealth between their children and would expect MIL to do the same, and MIL's sibling has set that example (which MIL thinks is WONDERFUL and told us about!). MIL has said that their wills allow for DH to get the equivalent of what his sibling has borrowed for the house before the remainder is divided between him and his sibling but I really think there won't be anything left by then (and anyway, I hate the idea of waiting for someone to die to see what we can get). (Also, real talk: it could be decades.) I do not care what MIL does with her money if she's spending it on herself - she can throw it in a hole if it makes her happy. But I think she is being unfair to DH (who is quietly upset about it) and to half of her grandchildren. My sibling-in-law is very irresponsible about money and all I have said to MIL is that she's not helping by bailing them out constantly as there will come a point when the money is gone or my in-laws will need it and they'll be stuck. I've NEVER hinted that I think the situation is unfair. I've NEVER criticised them when they say, 'Oh, we've put another 10K into the business because it will fix this problem and then everything will be fine' (and it never is). I don't even talk to DH about it because I don't want to pressure him into complaining. Still.

Piss.

Boiling.

If anyone's still reading, AIBU?

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BillSykesDog · 14/02/2016 02:38

I hate to say it, but I suspect part of your problem could be caused by pride and not asking.

It sounds like DHs sibling isn't afraid to ask when they want/need something and hence they get it. You and DH have something that they genuinely could help you with that you need, but you're too proud to ask. I don't think you can really expect them to mind read and know that you want help, or even that it would be welcome.

If you really are desperate and you're sure they could afford, can you not tactfully bring it up without pressure? It sounds like they're the sort of people who need to be actually asked before they will help.

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GarlicBake · 14/02/2016 02:39

YANBU and your attitude is very wise Flowers Congratulations.

A couple of the aged relatives in my family are like this - the wealthier ones, and not closely enough related for me to feel hard done by. But I think people who've never seen this 'blind spot' in action find it hard to grasp just how blind it is! The two favoured adult children are - well, eternal children. Both very talented, gifted, just never getting the right breaks and/or always being let down by others. You know the story. Every new venture, new car, house, lovely antique from parental home, anything - is furnished by the parent. Yet the same parents are quick to criticise others, including their own other children, for messing up. And they genuinely can't see how biased they are.

In these two cases, it has roots in feeling they under-served the now favoured child when young. But over the years, it's turned into something approaching a delusion. It's quite odd.

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GarlicBake · 14/02/2016 02:45

It sounds like they're the sort of people who need to be actually asked before they will help.

I agree. You may have to work harder at proving you're "worth" it, and that would rankle, but by the sounds of things you really need the help. If you don't at least make the effort, I think you'll regret it.

If you really do try to make it easier for them and still fail - well, you'll be no worse off and you'll know where you stand. But do try!

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summerainbow · 14/02/2016 03:26

My ex inlaws did this till I divorce their son . Then they gave him loads . Perhaps they don't like you mine did not.

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PurpleCrazyHorse · 14/02/2016 05:16

I agree with Jux in our situation. No where near as bad or obvious but there is still an undercurrent. We've moved away (for other reasons) and it's not so in our faces now. Better all round.

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GnomeDePlume · 14/02/2016 08:12

There can be so many things at play.

  • they may perceive that what they are doing is 'evening things up'. Perhaps they perceive you as having had more advantages in life, more able to stand on your own two feet. The things they give SiL may be seen as compensating her for her poor life choices.

  • they may perceive a girl as needing more help than a boy

  • SiL may be more vocal about what she wants/needs. This can also go back to seeing girls as being allowed to want/need more.

  • there can be something in the family dynamic where your DH is perceived as being grown up and therefore able to look after himself where SiL is perceived as less grown up and so needing to still be looked after.

    All this can still be seen by PiL as being fair.

    It is interesting if you have the 'who would you give money to if you won the lottery' conversation. There are many different perceptions of 'fair'. Many people say they will pay off friends/family mortgages. But of course many people will have different size mortgages. The person who has piad down their mortgage by diligent saving and low spending will benefit far less that the spendthrift

    Of course that is just theory but it does demonstrate how people can perceive 'fairness'. Why not try that conversation with PiL. It may help you to understand their thinking.
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IguanaTail · 14/02/2016 09:15

I think don't mention it. But if they come round and comment about it being cold, when DH is not in the room, say "listen it really upsets DH about our heating problem - we're a bit financially embarrassed - can I get you another blanket or a hot water bottle perhaps? Would it be ok not to mention it again?"

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Flugelpip · 14/02/2016 11:21

I came here to vent and be told to pull myself together and I've had such wise advice and consolation. It's nice to know it's not just us. Gnome you are spot on with saying the perception of the two children is totally different. DH is seen as a bit of a lone wolf whereas his DS has always involved the parents in every aspect of life, even bringing them into work to help out. His DS has been 'unlucky' time and time again (and is also a very nice person, believe it or not). There's always a good reason for bailing them out, every time...

I also think my in-laws think I will inherit from my parents, who are not well at all, but I think they are over-estimating by a long way what that inheritance might be (and I have said to my parents that they must spend any money they need to on care for themselves rather than trying to save it). My SIL's partner's family have literally nothing. So being reasonable, I can understand they feel we are able to look after ourselves, or will be at some point in the future.

I spoke to DH last night about it (without mentioning this) and he was calmly adamant that taking money from them, even as a loan, would give them too much influence over what we did and would be more stressful than how things are.

summerainbow it's funny you should say that they might not like me. I get on well with them but the morning of our marriage, MIL came to talk to me while I was getting my hair done. She didn't ask how I was feeling or tell me how DH was, though she'd seen him that morning and I'd asked. She stayed for a few minutes talking about DH's sibling, and then the hairdresser told her she was getting in the way so she left. The hairdresser (who I'd only met once before) leaned down and whispered, 'She doesn't care about you.' And sadly, I really think that's true.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2016 11:30

I know he thinks he's letting us down by earning less (through no fault of his own) and he is fed up for his parents, not for himself, about his sibling's behaviour

Clearly a very decent man (even if he's wrong about "letting you down" Smile) However I admit that feeling sorry for his parents would make me just a little bit cross - after all they could choose to say no

As for will clauses, etc, which allow for gifts already made, I'll say it again: any such arrangement would surely depend for its success on the amounts having been properly recorded - and from the sound of things I wouldn't necessarily take that as read

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Flugelpip · 14/02/2016 11:41

It's like a cult, puzzled - they are completely unable to get any kind of perspective on it! They keep saying they don't want to give them any more money for the businesses but then something else comes up and they tell us, very shame-faced, that they've had to put in some more, or that they've given them another loan. It's that thing where they need it to be a success because they've put in so much, and it definitely will collapse if they don't, so they do. Cutting their losses in the business should have happened a long time ago and if they weren't using family money, a bank would have pulled the plug. It's not good for anyone involved. We feel quite lucky not to be directly affected as there's only one way it will end up.

To be clear, the other side aren't being evil; they are nice and well-meaning but just totally irresponsible. DH's sibling doesn't ask for money directly but is very emotional and was on anti-depressants for a month Hmm which sent MIL into a blind panic. MIL is worried that their marriage will break up or her child will develop crippling depression so just pays for everything to try to solve their problems. I've heard MIL very firmly saying, 'I'll pay for X. No, I've decided I'm paying for it, so I will. No arguments, please.' She feels as if she's persuading them to take her money...

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shutupandshop · 14/02/2016 11:57

Its not fair but you either address it or forget it.

As far as the house, can you sell it as it is and move out of London, commuting distance? Surely there will be equity in it? Were in London does Dh work?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2016 12:05

Yes, I understand what you're saying Flugel and I totally get that there's no "intentional evil" here if I can put it that way

However while I think your DH is correct in not wanting to ask them for money, the fact remains that he's being hurt by their ridiculous decisions. Because of this I do agree with others that, when they spout off next time about what they've "had" to do, you might perhaps mention gently that you'd rather not hear it

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Flugelpip · 14/02/2016 12:21

shutupandshop he works all over the place and this is a quiet (not very smart) bit where there are great transport links. We've lived in this area a long time and we would really struggle to find anything better. Prices have gone through the roof locally so getting a house in good condition, even a much smaller one, would be tough. Friends who do the same job tried living out of London and spent a fortune/all their time on trains - they ended up moving back. To be honest it's just that we've reached the point where we can't make any more small improvements. We've been told not to do anything else until the structural work is done so we're stuck. If we had £££ to spend on the building work we'd tick over nicely between the two of us, financially - we don't spend a lot in everyday living. In other times DH earned a lot more than me and I don't have a problem with earning more than him now; we're in it together and being self-employed gives you a fairly fatalistic view of income. We have had good years and they may come again. Moving also costs a lot so unless there were other reasons to go, we're better off staying put. I am just frustrated, that's all!

And yes, forgetting it is probably the wisest thing to do. I really despise myself for minding the money aspect of things (as opposed to minding for DH's sake that his parents are favouring his sibling). We have lovely DCs who are generally happy, we have lovely neighbours and friends locally, we are near lots of parks/free stuff that we can enjoy. With an extra jumper on, life is not so bad. Smile

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Flugelpip · 14/02/2016 12:27

Oh puzzled, when I said to MIL, gently, that bailing them out every time wasn't going to be helpful to them in the long run, she burst into tears. She knows it's stupid but she really doesn't know what else to do. It's another reason why we're not all that keen to make life more complicated by asking for money that may not be available. But I am just going to have to accept that they're not ever going to offer and there are good things about not borrowing from them too.

I should say I don't have exact figures on what they inherited or what they have given to DH's sibling, but FIL is very meticulous so I'm sure it's recorded somewhere. I know from what the other side of the family did (dividing a sum between THEIR children) that it was a lot of money, but not lottery-win amounts if that makes sense.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2016 12:29

We have lovely DCs who are generally happy, we have lovely neighbours and friends locally, we are near lots of parks/free stuff that we can enjoy. With an extra jumper on, life is not so bad

So who's the rich one now, then?? Wink Flowers

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Wardy1993 · 14/02/2016 12:31

Op couldn't read and run I'm not surprised your piss is boiling over this one. I don't have much in the way of advice but I take my hat off to you for keeping your cool when she has come into your house and started tearing into the state of it. I know that if that was me I would say something along the lines of 'well you're more than welcome to pay for it if it bothers you so much!' You are obviously a very good wife and mother- you clearly have your priorities right and well done to the both of you for preparing yourselves for bad times with savings unlike BIL. I hope your dh business sees better days soon and you can start building the house of your dreams. Your children are very lucky to have parents who work so hard. Let us know how you get on Thanks

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Wardy1993 · 14/02/2016 12:37

Sorry not BIL, SIL!

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Flugelpip · 14/02/2016 12:38

Thanks, wardy and everyone else. Slightly tearing up. I must try to find a way to tell DH that I'm a very good wife. Grin

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2016 12:40

Cross posted with you, Flugel Wink

I'm really sorry, and I don't mean to sound harsh, but I'm afraid tears and boo-hooing about "what could we dooooo" would cut very little ice with me. They appear to be functioning adults who are quite capable of making their own decisions, and have largely brought this upon themselves through their own free choices

While it's not easy to cope with the obvious unfairness of their behaviour, do you really want to have to listen to their self-inflicted angst over this as well?? Might it not be easier to simply reply "well, that's your choice to make - now, did you say tea or coffee?"

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Schwabischeweihnachtskanne · 14/02/2016 13:14

I think this is a very common situation. YANBU - as you say it is the unequal treatment of the siblings that is hard to see, you would be delighted to see your in-laws spending their money to make themselves happy or comfortable, and you absolutely understand that you have no claims on the money, but none the less it is very hard to watch a manipulative sibling effectively given the money to throw away, while the other sibling who is also in difficult financial circumstances has to watch and bite his tongue.

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Vintage45 · 14/02/2016 13:28

It would piss me right too and I suspect what AyeMarok has just said regarding 'fairness' is pretty spot on. They know their son has a good head on his shoulders but their daughter is married to a loser.

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trixymalixy · 14/02/2016 13:47

Yanbu, and I would suspect the will does not reflect the disparity at all. Similar happened to me in that my parents gave my sister a load of money to buy a house. They said they were sorry they couldn't do the same for me but it would be reflected in their will. Years later they made a comment that they didn't have a will. I was a bit Hmm especially as they always moan about the difference in the way my dad and his siblings were treated when it came to help whether financially or practically.

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trixymalixy · 14/02/2016 13:55

Meant to say that my parents are lovely people and incredibly generous to us with their time and money and I was not actually bothered at all about them giving money to my sister and not me. It's just the disconnect between the conversations about how unfair my DH's parents were and the difference in how my sister and I are treated.

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gotthemoononastick · 14/02/2016 13:56

Sorry things are so tough at the moment OP.Roll on the summer so the mud at least will be less.

Dh feels exactly like your Dh and would not think of asking for, or accepting help.

Maybe your Mil reads about all the ghastly suicide,depression bankruptcy things in the papers and thinks she is avoiding this for them ,whilst your Dh seems to be the strong 'sorted 'one?

Ya not bu to vent here.

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diddl · 14/02/2016 14:00

It does seem that helping one who needs it and not also giving the same to the one who doesn't is seem as fair, doesn't it?

That said, maybe the thinking behind that is perhaps the other might need it one day?

But buying a house outright, that's a hell of a thing.

Of course they will reason that the sibling couldn't get a mortgage, so there was no option,whereas you have a mortgage, so no help is needed...

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