to be shocked about university students on sugar daddy type websites

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In the recent news reports - and amount of students doing it. It seems from the numbers they're talking about that this sort of thing has been normalised. I'd be horrified if dd did it at university tbh. But nobody seems especially upset does that mean this sort of thing will continue or get worse?

Christ, you are here to promote prostitution then Babycham?

You honestly haven't a clue.

I agree cleaty. You can talk about any other job but I can't imagine saying to family and friends 'DD has solved the student debt problem, she has sold her body to an older man who is paying her fees'.

Read some anthropology which shows clearly that there have been societies without prostitution.

This also seems underpinned by the - very likely truth - that men on average innately want/need sex much more than most women (not all, of course). This is often derided and pathologised on MN, whereas a woman's 'need' to be a mother is celebrated and fetishised.

What's the difference? Maybe both are simple biological urges? If they are, men paying women for sexy seems like a perfectly logical market transaction. Supply and demand innit?

Really Babycham? In many societies the accepted "truth" is that women want sex more than men.

And just because you can pay for something, does not make it right.

There is no need though, or very little need for students to do this.
The need comes from the men, not the women.
Have student loans stopped now? Can students no longer work pt whilst studying?
Are we as parents giving them too good a lifestyle when they are at home, so they need the money for a flash expensive lifestyle?

Anthropology is a prime example of Judeo-Christian moralistic cultural imperialism. Just because some western 'academic' deigns to spend time 'studying' a culture (nothing objectifying about that!) doesn't mean they're reflecting the truth. More that they're projecting they're own morality onto their subjects. Rather like you, Cleaty.

There is evidence of prostitution amongst animals. Which cultures don't have it?

Read some anthropology which shows clearly that there have been societies without prostitution.

I didn't say there wasn't.

You said it was a lie that prostitution has been around forever. In some (many) societies it has been around for thousands of years.

I never said every society has had them.

katenka: So it's less shocking if the women aren't intelligent?

No, that's being deliberately obtuse. It's more disappointing if intelligent women do it, since they have more choice.

I pay a cleaner, Cleaty, because I hate cleaning and get paid more to do something else. Am I exploiting him? I can pay for it..... Is it inherently wrong?

Yes prostitution has been around for a long time in some societies. But it is not inevitable.

Don't pretend paying someone to clean is the same as having sex with someone for money. It so obviously is not.

Why not, cleaty? As long as both parties are willing?

Actually a saw a woman on twitter saying if anyone wants to join her in a legal brothel for a day and see the reality, they could. Strangely enough none of those promoting prostitution as a choice and a good way to earn money, took her up on her offer.

The man is paying the woman to overcome her lack of consent to sex.

Exactly. I pay my cleaner to overcome his objection to scrubbing my toilet. My work pay me to attend meetings and fiddle with spreadsheets all day (none of which I'd do out of choice)

Yes. But cleaning a toilet or attending meetings is not like having sex with a man when you do not want to.

You can easily tell your granny, ex teachers etc that you are working as a cleaner to get through university but you wouldn't tell them you had sold your body to a man for sex.

Why? You seem to be projecting your views on sex onto everyone else. I've enjoyed plenty of casual sex in my life, free from romance or meaning.

I appreciate that not everyone is like me. Don't you?

So if it is the same, maybe schools career officers should advise prostitution to some of their pupils? Why not if it is just like lots of jobs?

I'd go for it over chicken sexing or 14 hour days of fish gutting.

Or Job Centres should make unemployed people work in brothels? Or what about people on workfare being forced to work in a brothel?

The reality is few would accept this. And that is because deep down they know it is not like being a cleaner, or working on a building site, or being a banker.

Yanbu. The whole thing is horrible. The worst thing about it is that society appears to accept it and normalise it so much.

To the pp who said she couldn't get a part time job - what, no bar jobs? no jobs in restaurants or shops? where on earth did you live?

In my final year at University I worked as a waitress in a busy restaurant on Saturdays and earned £20 (this was many many moons ago) but that more or less doubled my spending money for the week. I could have had a LOT more money by shagging creepy older men, I suppose, but I'm glad I was happy to live on less.

Equally, they wouldn't make a devout catholic wok at an abortion clinic. If they can account for individuals' moral objections, why not?

Okay Babycham, you advise your kids to go into prostitution then. Meanwhile most people are far too sensible to not pretend to see the difference.