To ask DH to stop vaping?

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DH and I have been on and off smokers for years. I quit in June as I fell pregnant. He had been on and off vaping and although he did quit smoking in June, he really really struggled and took up vaping again in about October. At the time I was unhappy as I felt we didn't know enough about vaping and effects on a newborn, as well as co-sleeping, which we will almost certainly do as we did with DS.

We agreed he would quite vaping on the 1st Feb. I am due beginning of march.

DH duly stopped vaping on 1st Feb, as agreed. But he's really, really struggling. The problem is is he is very stressed.... He has a full on job and we are also refurbing the house which of course we are in a rush to do before the baby arrives. Plus we have a 4 year old, and DH has an anxiety disorder. He is constantly busy, his head is always full of the next job to do, and the next, and the next.... He gets absolutely no down time as we rush to finish the house. I've had a dreadful pregnancy and haven't been able to help as much as I'd like.

In the evenings, after dinner he used to take himself off for twenty minutes and sit in a darkened room and have a quiet vape. I suspect he did a similar sort of thing at work. He has quit now, and he wouldn't start again unless I gave him the go-ahead, but I'm feeling dreadfully guilty. I can see my lovely DH really struggling with everything and his outlet gone. But I just can't see how we can co-sleep and care for a newborn when we know nothing about the long term effects of vaping?

Negligible even!

Like I said in the other thread, I know what's in my juice and I'm happy that I'm not breathing out anything nasty after I have finished vaping.

What do clothes smell of after vaping?

You don't think you stink. Let me tell you - I can smell you. Ok, it doesn't smell like cigarette smoke but its still there. I know what flavour you've had, I can identify a vaper's jacket on a coat stand full of jackets. (We have 2 in the office)

I think you might be kidding yourself at how smelly the flavourings actually make you.

Why does he do it in a darkened room?

Just to chill out.

I think it smells nice sometimes. Sometimes its horrible but I don't mind smelling people who have the summerfruits ones. PS. I'm not a vaper-er myself, I just sniff people on the tube because of proximity!

U2 I'm pretty sure there were many people very happily assuring everyone in 1985 that cigarettes weren't giving them lung cancer.

No one has ever told me I smell of bananas, or liquorice.

I vape different juice to DH. His clothes do not smell of his juice. I can smell it when he vapes it next to me but the smell goes in seconds.

Some people hate smokers, they now hate the thing that has helped a lot of us quit. I have a theory that some people don't like that vapers still get all the enjoyment with (at the very least) 95% less of the harmful parts.

And now we are still being told we smell

I do Quod.

I can run up flights of stairs, for the first time in 6 years this winter I havent had a chest infection. I dont have a hacking cough anymore.

Ill eat my words if there is one day conreate evidence that proves they are unsafe. But until then- ill wake up and kiss my miracle device everyday.

Ok, i joke about the last part

To clarify, I think vaping is great. I also love smoking, and drinking and lots of other bad for me stuff. But there is no possible way we can know yet whether vaping is harmless. Personally, I don't believe it is. The human body is not supposed to inhale glycerine or whatever. There will be something it causes but vaping hasn't been invented long enough to know what that is.

I can totally live with those risks for myself, and for DH to make those choices himself. It's the co sleeping that is really worrying me at this moment.

And I haven't noticed any smell, except when DH is literally actually vaping. Nothing lingering.

I'm shocked at how people are happy to be so blasé about the potential risks this very new product may have on the health and life of a new born baby.

I wonder if it's because they are the sort of people who think smoking a real cigarette outside makes it's safe for their children.

Tell me what is in my e-juice that could cause me lung cancer.

I will list the ingredients

Nicotine
vegetable glycerin
propylene glycol

I'd love to know why it's in a darkened room too BackIn, some kind of Victorian fit of the vapours?

Yeah I agree with OP. I'm an ex-smoker myself. I totally get why cigarettes are great and also awful. I managed to quit finally a couple of years before vaping happened so have never tried it, but can understand why for many it is a brilliant replacement.

I just don't think it is as brilliant as quitting nicotine entirely and not having to breathe in chemicals anymore. And I have massive scepticism about the safety claims.

Yeah, that's it. I think it's ok to vape outside/ in another room because I'm too thick to realise that smoking outside is still harmful for children.

Vaping is not smoking.

And yep, I can now run without wheezing as well. No more coughs, nothing. It's awesome.

The human body isn't meant to inhale half of the shit we inhale walking down the road.

I think perhaps a compromise is in order? He vapes away from the baby and perhaps doesn't vape a few hours before going to bed if co-sleeping?

Talk about sleeping, now I've had my vape and coffee I should go to bed.

You don't think you stink. Let me tell you - I can smell you. Ok, it doesn't smell like cigarette smoke but its still there. I know what flavour you've had, I can identify a vaper's jacket on a coat stand full of jackets. (We have 2 in the office)

And I think someone stinks of bullshit...

I do have a very keen sense of smell but maybe that's because a lifetime of cigarette and vape free mean my nostrils have fulfilled their proper smelling capacity!

OP I'm sorry but you are misguided - some very significant research very recently published shows no evidence of harm .

I'm a HCP - and btw - re glycerine .... Is in a lot of cough syrups. The body is absolutely fine to process glycerine .

Your antenatal anxieties are FAR more likely to harm your baby than your DHs vaping.

Ok - actually the Wiki article I linked to leads back to a very strong scientific publication - a review of 151 published scientific papers on the effects of e-cigarettes.

From that review (which is 288 pages of quite dense scientific analysis):

"In summary, the particle size distribution and number of particles delivered by e-cigarettes are similar to those of conventional cigarettes, with most particles in the ultrafine range (modes, ≈100–200 nm). Particle delivery appears to depend on the nicotine level in the e-cigarette fluid but not the presence of flavors. Smokers exhale some of these particles, which exposes bystanders to “passive vaping.” Like cigarettes, e-cigarette particles are small enough to reach deep into the lungs and cross into the systemic circulation. At a minimum, these studies show that e-cigarette aerosol is not merely “water vapor” as is often claimed in the marketing for these products. Tests on e-cigarettes show much lower levels of most toxicants, but not particles, than conventional cigarettes. The thresholds for human toxicity of potential toxicants in e-cigarette vapor are not known, and the possibility of health risks to primary users of the products and those exposed passively to their emissions must be considered.
(www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018182/)

I personal wouldn't worry just about the contents of the vapours but the fact they are releasing tiny particles. Tiny particles of shit that is not meant to form part of the chemical make-up of air.

The WHO says that 50% of under 5s dying of pneumonia is because of particle matter in household air pollution being inhaled.

They're not talking about e:cigarettes, but doesn't it make you think?

The point is, at the moment we don't know the long term affects.

Ha - look at that!! The scientists agree with me!!

Yep, thank you very much.

Thank God for cockwombles. More people talking sense.