AIBU to be disappointed that not every ( active ) member of MN has not taken part in the Olympic committee's trans policy poll thread?

[SurferJet]

It would take two minutes & you have 3 choices - support, protest. abstain.

What's stopping everyone taking part?

In all honesty, I saw the thread title and wasn't interested. Too much trans/cis arguments recently. I've now read it, I can't call it. I need some real science before I form an opinion and I don't feel 'abstain' cuts it. If there was a 'somebody bloody research this properly' then I'd have answered.

I love sport btw. I was fascinated by the research that went into whether a prosthesis could be constituted an advantage. And whether as a double amputee you have more of an advantage over someone who hasn't suffered limb loss, then the later debate as to whether a double leg amputee could get more advantage then a single amputee. But that took some real research and people still were very anti the ruling that allowed Oscar Pistorius to compete in 2012 totally ignoring everything that's happened since 2012 there, just focusing on the science and sport element. I'd love someone to research the effects that a year or more of hormones does to your athleticism.

strictly but we do know it won't make you shorter, or your reach shorter, or your pelvius wider

shortcut height and/or wider pelvis isn't always an advantage. It does depend, sport on sport, section on section.

Even if you are uninterested in sport, do you not think sport is important all the same?

No. I suppose there might be an economic impact.

I didn't vote. I have no interest in the Olympics or sport generally.(I do make an exception for The World Cup, and yes, I do mean the one in which the players are men. Women's football is of no interest at all)

I don't think there will be a deluge of men claiming they are women. So, there you go- that's why I didn't post.

Maryz, I certainly haven't done extensive (or any) research on this, but I haven't seen that any athletes are up in arms about it. And surely it would be their place to be...? No one at training this week mentioned it.

I can't imagine that any male athlete would choose to undergo the pain and persecution of transition for the sake of a medal, although that seems to be the suggestion of some people here.

this weight lifter is TG. I believe he has retired, but he could now compete as a woman

this weight lifter is not retired and now competes as a woman

Tbf even as women we aren't all going to be bothered by the same issues - women's sport, Cologne, female only spaces are all important to some people but hardly register on the radar of many others.

Chris Bruce before transition

What pain iron?

And if the presence of trans people improves the quality of women's sport, there might be more interest and funding.

Person has a hobbyhorse, thinks its unreasonable that someone, somewhere does not share their interest in the hobbyhorse.

Person is BU and possibly a boring bully

And if the presence of trans people improves the quality of women's sport, there might be more interest and funding. The massive amount of cash in men's sport has never benefited women. No reason this should be any different.

Shortcut aren't those links to bodybuilders , rather than weightlifting? Is that even a sport?

It's always struck me as an activity for people who are madder than a bucket of frogs who want to pump themselves full of steroids to make their bodies look hideous to everyone apart from other bodybuilders.

I really could not care less if one of them decides he's a trans woman.

It's a box of frogs.
not bucket.

unless they are trans-frogs.

but now it's getting complicated

Another person here who does her best to avoid all the trans threads on MN because they are inevitably dominated by transphobics. I see that the so-called 'poll' thread is no exception.

The opening post on the poll thread inviting people to vote reads:

The policy from the IOC will allow pre-op, self-determined transgender athletes to compete as the gender of their choice after just one year of hormone treatment.

That's not neutral phrasing. At all. 'Self-determined', 'just one year'.

The wording of the question tells you already what you are supposed to think.

Maryz, You are plain wrong.
Go along to any athletics club in the land, look at their results for meetings and you will see that all competitors are categorised in many ways.
age groups, ability groups, experience groups. sexed groups

they are way ahead of you

Maryz, are you suggesting that elite female athletes don't have the sense to realise this huge risk to their careers? I don't understand why it's Mumsnet's responsibility to think for them.

Maryz , 'think a lot of athletes haven't really realised yet'
is wrong.

they are on the ball, trust me.