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Continuation thread re IOC/trans policy and related trans issues

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fidel1ne · 27/01/2016 12:26

Also a plug for the FB group Grin

www.facebook.com/groups/ATWIWS/

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Darvany · 29/01/2016 22:05

I've always thought it strange that "lesbian" has been used as a tag for women in porn who are not actually lesbians but who are just playing for a man to watch, or until he joins in to make it 'real' sex Hmm

No wonder transwomen feel entitled to their bodies.

ExitPursuedByABear · 29/01/2016 22:11

I am so confused

DrSeussRevived · 29/01/2016 22:13

Man to trans woman, katy

ExitPursuedByABear · 29/01/2016 22:16

So what is a trans woman.

DrSeussRevived · 29/01/2016 22:19

A biological male who identifies as a woman, Exit.

Highsteaks · 29/01/2016 22:25

That 'cotton ceiling' phrase is just.......

It's like they don't even bother hiding the fact they see women's underwear as something to 'smash through'. Why use the analogy of underwear? And why don't they give straight blokes a hard time for not wanting to shag them? Im assuming 'cotton ceiling' only applies to women's knickers? Is all this normal for trans women, like, do they all think like this or is it just a few?

ExitPursuedByABear · 29/01/2016 22:28

Gusset.

venusinscorpio · 29/01/2016 22:42

And why don't they give straight blokes a hard time for not wanting to shag them?

I was on a Guardian CiF article once where they tentatively were trying to suggest it was both homophobic and transphobic for a man to reject a bepenised trans woman. They got short shrift, as you can imagine.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/01/2016 23:00

And why don't they give straight blokes a hard time for not wanting to shag them? I told hairy, six foot, 200lb, martial artist DH about the cotton ceiling. His take on why men aren't subject to the same pressure was pretty obvious. For some reason men aren't expected to fuck people they don't want to fuck. Women, especially lesbians, are.

ArcheryAnnie · 29/01/2016 23:04

Harrassing lesbians to accept dick has been a thing since the dawn on time. Nothing new or progressive there at all.

Google "Lily Cade" if you want chapter and verse on a famous case. She's a lesbian porn star who was seriously, seriously harrassed for not wanting to film scenes with trans women.

venusinscorpio · 29/01/2016 23:05

Yes, put it this way, they didn't push it with the men.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/01/2016 23:18

Archery thanks for sending me to Google. I loved this quote from her, "I’m attracted to their body and their mind, and two things I least want to fuck are dicks and people who think I owe them my body".

WandaFuca · 30/01/2016 00:21

I've been following the various threads here on this issue. Prior to reading those, in the past, I'd been sympathetic towards trans people - I guess like a lot of people. I think I hit trans peak when I was enlightened about the reality of the Tara Hudson case.

Since then, I've been even further enlightened. It's really frightening to realise how all the rights for women that were fought for back in the day now seem to have been thrown out in the name of "equality". But it's not equality at all, is it?

I couldn't figure out what thread to post on, partly because so much of what I feel has been said so eloquently by so many women who, over many threads, have said it so much better than I can.

But I have to say it somewhere. The decision of the IOC is the most disrespectful towards women that I've ever seen. Certainly, it will cascade down through all sports at all levels. But, worse, it will be used as a global affirmation of the rights of transwomen over women in all other areas. Now this misguided protocol has gone international, any local attempt to protect women really has no chance.

venusinscorpio · 30/01/2016 02:19

Great post Wanda. Your last point is depressingly likely to be the case.

venusinscorpio · 30/01/2016 02:21

And going to google Lily Cade tomorrow as otherwise I'll be up all night yet again!

mathanxiety · 30/01/2016 08:36

Just place marking

BeyondBootcampsAgain · 30/01/2016 09:19

The main 'pro' argument i am seeing is "i trust the ioc to know more about this than a bunch of mners". Equating mners with just a bunch of mums, none of which are experts in their fields or medical doctors Hmm

BeyondBootcampsAgain · 30/01/2016 09:19

Iyswim?

user838383 · 30/01/2016 09:27

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DrSeussRevived · 30/01/2016 09:40

Think that's a bit of a generalisation, boopsy - some lesbians and some straight men may well be attracted to trans women, but nobody is entitled to anyone's sexual attention and that was the issue with Chelsea Poe's approach.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 30/01/2016 10:44

transgenderreality.com/2015/11/20/its-a-girls-dick/

BeyondBootcampsAgain · 30/01/2016 11:19

I saw this in action very recently. Did anyone see the buzzfeed "first time a lesbian touches a penis/a gay man touches a vagina" videos? Many, many comments of "Transphobe!!! Some lesbians have penises/gay men have vaginas" 🙄

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 30/01/2016 11:46

Yes the woman in the vagina video was all 'I'm a woman who happens to have A vagina
Ugh

TheXxed · 30/01/2016 11:54

DrSeuss and some people get struck my lightning not very common though is it

DrSeussRevived · 30/01/2016 12:00

Some trans women are in relationships with women, some in relationships with men. Some are not in relationships at all.

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