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Continuation thread re IOC/trans policy and related trans issues

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fidel1ne · 27/01/2016 12:26

Also a plug for the FB group Grin

www.facebook.com/groups/ATWIWS/

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iPost · 28/01/2016 10:54
iPost · 28/01/2016 10:56

I posted on one or two of the cologne threads and am happy to allow a pre-admittance "perusal of your Facebook" taste test if prefered.

OTheHugeManatee · 28/01/2016 11:03

Nice to see Janice Turner at least stating the obvious. Wonder how long it'll be before she's deluged with hate for it.

It's come to something when you rely on the right-wing press to point out injustices to women Confused

fidel1ne · 28/01/2016 11:10

I'm going to NC now but anyone who wants an add to the FB group will still be able PM me on this name.

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fidel1ne · 28/01/2016 11:14

I posted on one or two of the cologne threads and am happy to allow a pre-admittance "perusal of your Facebook" taste test if prefered.

Everyone's FB profile is getting a glance anyway iPost.

Anyone with such an anonymous FB profile it is likely to raise suspicion is very welcome to PM NickiFury or myself to volutneer for the Mumsnet Advance Search treatment Smile That really does help make our job easier, thanks Smile

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BeyondBootcampsAgain · 28/01/2016 11:18

Not just Janice either...

Continuation thread re IOC/trans policy and related trans issues
fidel1ne · 28/01/2016 11:24

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ArcheryAnnie · 28/01/2016 11:46

We are starting to get attention on other social media for this stance, so I am bracing myself for a flood of entryists coming over to tell us what awful bigots we are for caring about what happens to women.

And I have seen a few posts being a bit cross at MNHQ for not taking this on as a corporate thing, but give them time. We are playing in their sandbox, and they have been magnificent in letting us (and by us I mean us all, on all sides of the discussion) to carry on talking about it, in a way that's become impossible on almost any other site. They've shown a commitment to allowing an honest, open exploration of these issues that a lot of other supposedly more feminist, cutting-edge sites have totally bottled.

ShortcutButton · 28/01/2016 11:50

Fidel my FB profile is locked down, due to work. I'm a member of the group already, as I joined before you made it secret. If you need/want, I'm happy to PM you my name, or whatever?

ShortcutButton · 28/01/2016 11:51

Oh ignore me. I've just read your post properly. I'll PM you

fidel1ne · 28/01/2016 11:58

Fidel my FB profile is locked down, due to work. I'm a member of the group already, as I joined before you made it secret. If you need/want, I'm happy to PM you my name, or whatever?

It's only that we're trying to weed out obvious transactivists at the point of adding people to the group.

Oh ignore me. I've just read your post properly. I'll PM you

Okay Smile

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TheXxed · 28/01/2016 12:00

It genuinely does feel as though I have entered the twilight zone. This thread is keeping me sane.

venusinscorpio · 28/01/2016 12:14

Yes, I agree with Annie. It's great that we have this space, and it is positive, many many more people hitting peak trans all the time. It would be awesome if we could have a web chat with someone from the IOC or similar as MNHQ suggested yesterday.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 28/01/2016 12:23

It is curious that no women's sports organisations have commented.

It's boggling, actually.

Maryz · 28/01/2016 12:32

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 28/01/2016 12:39

World at 1 to discuss this 1 I'll be busy, can anyone listen in?

fidel1ne · 28/01/2016 12:42

I will. I'm sure I won't be the only one.

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FreshwaterSelkie · 28/01/2016 13:10

I've been looking all morning and I cannot find links to the reporting of any scientific inquiry that has been done into this prior to the guidelines being issued. From where were the testosterone levels derived - how was the limit set? What other factors (as in Cote's list above - muscle mass, erythrocytes, hemaglobin, biomechanics etc) were considered as potentially having an impact, and how and when were they ruled out? What tests were run to establish the lack of advantage being born male confers? Where is the evidence showing a range of examples looking at transitions close to puberty versus transitions in full adulthood - what are the differences, if any? How was this decision balanced against the issues raised by the cases of Caster Semenya and Dutee Chand?

Also, when weighing up the fairness to trans athletes, how and when was this balanced against the existing values in the Olympic charter, specifically those relating to women in sport? ( mission statement )

Highlights of the charter:

to act against any form of discrimination affecting the Olympic Movement

To encourage and support the promotion of women in sport at all levels and in all structures with a view to implementing the principle of equality of men and women

Mind you, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. They were completely ineffectual about the Saudis approach to their women athletes. It seems to be a largely theoretical commitment to women in sport.

poorbuthappy · 28/01/2016 13:12

fidel1ne -I've just PM'd you.

BeyondBootcampsAgain · 28/01/2016 13:30

Did i miss it?

QueenStromba · 28/01/2016 13:35

On R4 now.

fidel1ne · 28/01/2016 13:35

No -starting now.

Kelly Maloney FFS.

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OTheHugeManatee · 28/01/2016 13:35

On now.

OTheHugeManatee · 28/01/2016 13:36

Amazeballs - we've got a MTT and a journo from the New Statesman. That's going to be a strong argument against then Hmm

OTheHugeManatee · 28/01/2016 13:38

AAAARRRRGH