Continuation thread re IOC/trans policy and related trans issues

[fidel1ne]

Also a plug for the FB group

www.facebook.com/groups/ATWIWS/

To deny there will be flow down effect of the IOC ruling, for women and girls, is pretty ignorant

But no, not all girls and women will be effected. Because not all women and girls play sport

But sport is just one aspect of this gender=sex, self identification twerpishness, isn't it? Its multi-faceated.

I'm hopefully never going to be in jail again, but some women are. But it is INHUMANE to put women in a situation where they can get pregnant and give birth in jail!! And I will fight to prevent that happening to just 1 more woman. Because, yes it has happened already

AND I've heard this position defended by the argument that women prisoners are at risk of pregnancy already, by male guards

Shortcut, Denying it is willfully agenda-laden. It's more sinister than simply ignorant.

IceBeing:
I actually thought that Rachel had a reasonable point. I don't think her saying she identifies with black culture is any more unreasonable that a man saying they identify with female culture.

Except that she didn't say she 'identified' with black culture. She said she was black.

Did she take a job a black person should have had? That whole question raises some uncomfortable sensations...are their jobs only black people should have?

Yes. She was head of the Spokane NAACP chapter. And yes, the head of the local NAACP chapter, the regional NAACP organisation, and the national NAACP should be black..

" that is a good point. But at school level I would just have multiple teams...if the 1st teams is mostly boys and a few girls and the 2nd team is 50:50 and the 3rd team is mostly girls and everyone who wants to be on a team can be on a team and play at their own level...then where is the problem? And nobody need ask anyone what gender they are...."

No, no, no -fucking no. You really don't get sport, do you. People who love sport, love to compete. Your way would just discourage gilrs and relegate them to the shit heap.

So don't complain about your badminton club then, because the majority if men playing will be stronger, faster with a better reach so you have been relegated to bottom rank with the weak players - something you think should happen to females across the board in sport rather than let them compete with their own sex as the best of their sex. Not as a second rate man.

There are separate scholarships for girls and boys, men and women. This is in order to redress a gross imbalance in favour of boys/men that reflected the inequality in wider society.

The separate sports scholarships for girls/women are equal to those available for boys/men, both in financial terms for each individual and in terms of how many are given. Since 1972, under Title IX, women's sports are supposed to be given equal resources to men's in American universities and schools. Title IX has had an enormous positive effect in the US in terms of girls' and women's participation in sport, in terms of availability of sports, and in terms of aspirations for girls.

And not just sports if any program or activity in an educational institution receives federal funds, all of the institution's programs and activities must comply with Title IX's provisions wrt equality and equal protection. Sexual violence of all kinds falls under its purvie. The situation remains far from perfect women's and girls' sports have been the victims of anti-feminist backlash and there is always pressure from misogynists to justify Title IX. From time to time amendments are brought forth to ship away at it. Women still have to keep on fighting tooth and nail for the principle that girls and women are worth spending money on, that they are central to their own lives and not peripheral to men's, defined in relation to men, suitable only to be cheerleaders for the men.

...at school level I would just have multiple teams...if the 1st teams is mostly boys and a few girls and the 2nd team is 50:50 and the 3rd team is mostly girls and everyone who wants to be on a team can be on a team and play at their own level...then where is the problem? And nobody need ask anyone what gender they are...."

What the actual fucking fuck?????

Thank you for explaining that Math - very interesting.

bambini I was happy playing for the mens second team...even happier playing in the mens first team...I was only unhappy when I got banned from playing for either team because my lady parts were apparently preventing the opposing teams from focussing...

Icebeing that's meaningless and irrelevant. It's not about you.

I may be misunderstanding how these scholarships work...is it about getting funded to do your academic course because you can bring a sports talent to the university/college?

Or is it semi-professional sports funding to do sports?

tbh if it is the former, how is it fair on a small weedy academic type that they can't get a sports scholarship?

Why not give scholarships for physics to study physics etc.?

shins bambini brought up the idea I should be happy to be relegated to crap games because I was female. I was pointing out I didn't want to be relegated because I CAN compete with the men....

I think I am allowed to defend myself against accusations of being shit at sport?

So is it really the case that only allowing girls to compete against other girls doesn't leave girls thinking 'Hey thats cool I am good at sport for a girl' but actually leaves them believing they are as good at sport as the boys even though they never compete against them?

Does a girl winning the 100m at school sports day actually think 'I am the fastest' rather than 'I am the fastest girl'?

Right- screw all the other shit, this is the key question.

Does a girl winning the 100m for girls at school sports day actually think 'I am the fastest' rather than 'I am the fastest girl'?

If they think they are 'the fastest' then I think I finally understand what you are getting at. This never occurred to me. I have often been the best girl at a sporting activity (in my school, and occasionally county) but have never been under the illusion this made me anything other than good for a girl.

If they know full well they are only 'fastest girl' then why does it make any difference if they race against boys? They will still know they were the fastest girl and they will likely have beaten a bunch of boys too.....

As you say I don't care about the elite level...so why not answer the non-elite level question? It affects billions more people...so it does seem a relevant thing to focus on...

And thats why I am on this thread. Because people are saying this is shit for all levels not just the elite and I disagree. It IS shit at the elite level, but I don't see the shitness anywhere else.

Who cares about girl sports psychology or whether you understand it? If we're going to start being personal, I had zero interest in sport as a young woman, actively disliked it in fact. That is totally fucking irrelevant to the broader issue of fairness in women's competitive sport and how female athletes are having their hard-won arena destroyed by something very nasty disguised as "tolerance" and "progressive values".

fairness in competitive sport? That is an oxymoron.