Continuation thread re IOC/trans policy and related trans issues

[fidel1ne]

Also a plug for the FB group

www.facebook.com/groups/ATWIWS/

I keep meaning to post about my experience of shelters. I worked in a shelter with a 'sister' shelter. Mine was mixed, which means mostly male with a female section. In the female section, the female residents accommodated transwomen and made their own 'rules' about their comfort. In the sister shelter (all female) it was just for women. This meant that everyone was safe, everyone had a space and everyone worked around the actual issues. Without the law or shouting. The 'rules' just came about from the women, rather than being imposed.

The transwomen were, I believe, all sex workers at the time so there was a lot of fellow feeling and empathy between the women who worked and the transwomen. They all suffered terrible violence and fear.

Perfect solution as far as I can tell and proves that it is possible to be accommodating without giving up women's spaces entirely.

It's pretty annoying that people bring intersex conditions into this as if they are some kind of trump card that wins a trick. My dear intersex family member is unquestionably female. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. Her sex chromosomes are different from mine but there is simply no doubt about the matter, nor with any others who share her condition.

But what has that to do with chromosomally normal XY males being a different sex from women?

It's pretty easy to establish a person's sex. I don't understand this whataboutery approach.

I know I would feel violated and isolated if I read this thread and I suffered from these particular syndromes.

did you miss that this is a thread about sport and i am in a wheelchair!!

Without wanting to open another can of worms, what percentage of births are intersex? I know, I know, I could Google it. But I have a sore throat and an impending cold.

Can someone report my post, please.

I forgot you cannot delete!

And I'm on my phone with no report function.

I think I've find it myself

Done Posie. (Ah Xpost - see you got there first.)

Now I said that maybe I am prejudiced but I don't feel that people who have penises should be considered as women but again I try to remain open minded

Most trans women keep their penises. I don't have the exact statistics to hand, but I've read that less than a quarter of trans women have genital surgery. And it's not just because of the medical risks - many trans women are perfectly happy with their genitals. They believe they have female penises. This site gives some examples (the discussion is pretty graphic, so don't say I didn't warn you!).

Why would it be prejudiced to believe that people who have penises shouldn't be considered women, anyway? Would it be prejudiced to say that Caucasian people can't be considered black? Genitals indicate sex, just like skin colour indicates race.

Saw this linked on a reddit thread, if I read it right her position is that limiting testosterone levels in transgender athletes is a breach of human rights

europe.newsweek.com/meet-canadian-athlete-changing-sports-attitudes-gender-423405?rm=eu

sometimes, I feel hopeful that the whole movement will self-destruct by imploding under the weight of its own ridiculousness. I wonder if we sit back and wait, whether things will run their natural course and people will all reach peak trans at whatever the final conclusion is of this nonsense.

Perhaps.

That's the way I read it Maryz, of course if women are banned from taking synthetic testosterone then the endpoint of that argument is that transwomen are not women otherwise they would have to comply with the same rules as women athletes which I suspect is not a conclusion she would want drawn.

As a perimenopausal woman, can I just ask what an "extreme" post menopausal state is? I mean, either you're past the menopause or you're not. It's not a degenerative disease which gets progressively worse.

Valanice Most trans women keep their penises. I don't have the exact statistics to hand, but I've read that less than a quarter of trans women have genital surgery. And it's not just because of the medical risks - many trans women are perfectly happy with their genitals. They believe they have female penises. This site gives some examples (the discussion is pretty graphic, so don't say I didn't warn you!).

I'm quite shocked when I read that, I have to say I do find it difficult to understand

Speak for yourself Lurcio

That's an unbelievable case. They seem to be advocating not only for giving androgens to post op transwomen but for giving them enough to put them outside the range that would be allowable for born women to compete? Please tell me I have read that wrong!