Continuation thread re IOC/trans policy and related trans issues

[fidel1ne]

Also a plug for the FB group

www.facebook.com/groups/ATWIWS/

I'm so sick of the hypocrisy of trans issues. It's just a fucking farces. Don't disadvantage trans women cause they women. Terrible! Disadvantage women cause they are women. Fine!
So sick if the bullshit.

I think I might need to step away from these threads. And the FB page.

They are seriously disturbing my equilibrium.

Here's some more transactivist stuff (if anyone has the stomach for it)

It is basically written by a transwoman who feels very upset that transitioning (chemically not surgically) made them infertile. It's not fair apparently.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/11/trans-women-reproductive-justice/

Poor lamb.

All that not being able to get pregnant. Must be so tough.

Are these people for real? Who indulges them?

Yes, that was the one I referred to upthread.

Who indulges them?

The BBC, the Guardian, all mainstream feminist sites, universities, the Independent, the New Statesman, the IOC, Maria Miller.

And the "reproductive justice link" has a transwoman wanting to have her sperm frozen so she can become a mother

So that trans woman can impregnate a woman by artificial insemination to use as an incubator, is my assumption there.

Are trans people giving birth through their manginas?

As Maryz said, it is totally shit not being able to get pregnant. It happened to me. I was upset mainly because, as a woman, born with female reproductive organs, I had grown up expecting to be physically capable of getting pregnant and giving birth.

I have never expected to be able to direct my piss through my non existent penis, or grow a full beard.

Are trans people giving birth through their manginas?

It's possible that this undoubtedly clueless person is so clueless as to believe that's possible, I suppose. But I assumed it was about surrogacy, like celeb teen trans girl Jazz Jennings, who's going to get big sis to do it.

And yes, it might be possible for trans women to get pregnant in the future. But at present, it's currently like getting your head cryogenically frozen when you die.

Also would you father and mother your own child? A bit of a genetic issue, I'd guess!

The thing is that there are healthcare implications of all this. If I went to A&E as a self defined "male" with stomach pain, it might have taken them to figure out that I'd got a burst ovarian cyst.

Especially if every HCP was expected to go along with my delusions that I was biologically male.

Also in the case of fathering/mothering this could affect genetic investigations for disease in a child couldn't it? Can't some genetic conditions only be passed on by the male parent and some by the female?

Imagine the appointment with a geneticist "so you are little susie's...?"
"Mother" "okay, well the chromosome analysis has shown...erm...well..."

The trans community seems to be demanding that HCPs ignore basic biology and treat them according to their chosen sex.

As Maryz said, this seems to predominantly be a mental health issue with all the bells and whistles of delusions and cognitive dissonance etc.

Some people surgically transition and are still just as unhappy, in some cases more unhappy than they were pre-op. Some people want their surgery reversed. (Anecdotally this apparently could be as high as 50% but I've got no actual source for this)

It's really sad and it must be awful to feel so at odds with your physical self but we don't have to collude in this.

It is really sad. Especially for young children who don't have the self-knowledge or life experience to make a decision which will put them on a path which may end up in them not being able to have children.

This is a really good article (also posted upthread, I think), and the author speaks the poignant truth:

To say transwomen are women doesn’t just minimise the importance of biological sex, it denies its existence altogether. One of the most heartbreaking things I’ve seen is a young transwoman’s genuine bewilderment and shock that young heterosexual males lose sexual interest in ‘her’ when they discover that ‘she’ has a penis. We have been teaching kids this stuff in schools since 2008 and in this report the government proposes more. No wonder our young people are so confused; outside the echo-chamber world of transgender groups, biological sex does matter.

stephaniedaviesarai.com/cwc/uncategorized/maria-millers-report-puts-feminists-in-an-impossible-position/

That Everyday Feminism article is appalling. No wonder they don't allow comments....

But I assumed it was about surrogacy, like celeb teen trans girl Jazz Jennings, who's going to get big sis to do it.

Forgetting of course that pregnancy carries real physical risks for women, potentially death if things go really tits up (although that phrase itself will probably be seen asca no-no soon). This idea of being entitled to ask other women, particularly relatives, to be your incubator at risk to them only doesn't seem right to me. I can't put my finger on why it bothers me so much, as I don't feel the same about a sister helping a woman who has become infertile during cancer treatment, for example.

Actually, that Everyday Feminism article brought it into sharp focus:

It wasn’t until I watched Micha Cardenas perform about her pregnancy as a trans woman that I had a major breakthrough moment. It was – and still is – possible to become pregnant again.

What this means is that trans women who stop taking HRT for a few months can reverse sterilization and become pregnant with viable sperm.

Cancer patients post-chemo or radiotherapy are irrevocably infertile and all out of options. Same goes for men and women with the usual kind of infertility, the kind that's permanent and can't be fixed.

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The incubator aspect is disturbingly 'Handmaid's Tale'

I haven't read The Handmaids Take for 20 years. Feels like another read of it would be timely.

This idea of being entitled to ask other women, particularly relatives, to be your incubator at risk to them only doesn't seem right to me. I can't put my finger on why it bothers me so much

In that particular case it might be due to the presence of parents who rushed their three year old into a transgender diagnosis due to non gender conforming toy/sparkly choices (God forbid having a male child liking things traditionally assigned as "stuff girls like"). Then whacked said child out on to the trans media circus circuit. Then the publishing and furthered expsoure of child as a mini cash cow. Leaving the distinct possibility that big sis is going to be guilt tripped/strong armed into surrogacy for the sake of the "family fame business".

With it set out early on that big sis is going to be a surrogate it stands a good chance of big sis never feeling like there is a reasonable way for her to object.

Can I join the Facebook group?