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Could Donald Trump be the next Hitler?

187 replies

Destinysdaughter · 26/01/2016 23:08

I pray to God he doesn't get elected as the next president but after just watching the C4 documentary about him, I fear for the future of the USA and consequently the world. Hitler was once a joke but then economic conditions changed and people wanted answers and Hitler was able to blame much of Germany's ills on the Jews much like Trump is doing with Mexicans, Muslims etc. His supporters seen equally fanatical and not open to any kind of rational debate. It really fucking scares me, the world seems to becoming much more intolerant and if economic conditions deteriorate further I worry about what will happen. Please do tell me IABU but I feel bloody uneasy about this...

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Lweji · 30/01/2016 09:41

Or has a well placed brother as Governor... Wink

MissMarpleCat · 30/01/2016 12:55

Claig I like your posts too, but I don't agree with you regarding Trump, however, I do agree about the career politicians being groomed and funded by lobbyists and wall street.

SenecaFalls · 30/01/2016 14:13

Or has a well placed brother as Governor...

Ah, yes. When I defended Jeb upthread, I did, in fact forget about the 2000 election. As a Florida Democrat, my memory of those days should be very long . . . Angry

Want2bSupermum · 30/01/2016 14:15

The redeeming feature of Trump is that he took Jeb Bush out.

claig · 30/01/2016 14:15

Thanks, MissMarpleCat. I think Trump will end up surprising a lot of people. I think he will be great.

evilcherub · 30/01/2016 14:33

I find Hilary far more scary. She has been given so much money in support of her campaign by the big banks that she will basically be their person in the white house doing their bidding. That means even more inequality, even more power to the financial sector, more corruption, less democracy.

Lweji · 30/01/2016 14:39

IIRC, in the first months of Clinton's presidency Hilary tried to push a social welfare agenda and she was shot down and had to drop it and assume a more 1st Lady role. I'd hope her heart was still somewhere in the same place.
OTOH, I'd hate to see her being shuffled aside again for another man, even if he was Obama.

Could she be the best president? I don't know. It's a real shame more women don't reach the candidacy stage.

Want2bSupermum · 30/01/2016 14:41

What scares me about HC is her track record on making bad judgement calls. I have no idea why she ever thought it was acceptable to store government data on a private server. I'm an auditor. If I stored client data, which isn't half as sensitive as the data she was handling, on a private server and my employer found out I would be dismissed on the spot.

She has only gotten away with it because she found a loophole as there was no specific rule in place at the time when this was set up. A rule was brought in later with people shaking their heads going 'We really need a rule to cover common sense?!?'

I also don't resoect HC for riding on her DHs coat tails. It's a marriage of convenience. I don't have much respect for someone who doesn't have much respect for themselves. If my DH took advantage of a young lady who was an intern or an employee I would not be standing by him. I'd be running a mile but that's probably because I have the inner confidence to know that I could support myself and our children without him.

JingsAndCrivens · 30/01/2016 14:44

Haven't you already said that at least twice on this thread re. HC's marriage/Bill Clinton's sex scandals?

Massage received!

Lweji · 30/01/2016 14:44

She's pretty much the original Good Wife, isn't she?

JingsAndCrivens · 30/01/2016 14:46

Ha!

'Message' received!

Want2bSupermum · 30/01/2016 14:56

jings haha awesome typo! Yes I have said it before and I will say it again because women in my age group across all racial groups are having the same issue with her. It's why she kills it with the oldies and fails with the younger crowd.

Mistigri · 30/01/2016 16:18

I don't think HC is a very good candidate (there's a reason she lost to Obama in 2008). The problem for the republicans is that their candidates are far worse - too extreme or too tainted to have a realistic shot at election (Trump, Cruz, Bush, Christie) or just not very inspiring (all the rest). This is why the party has been unable to agree on an "anyone but Trump" candidate and why they will most likely lose the election.

suzannecaravaggio · 30/01/2016 17:19

I see Trump as more akin to the character played by Sacha Baron Cohen in 'The Dictator' :o

but these days I think the real power lies with the banks and the multi nationals.....who ever is ostensibly in power is a pawn in a bigger game

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 30/01/2016 19:49

He will get the nomination - the numbers are in his favour.
You/we may not like it, but wishing it were not so does not make it not so.
Hillary is in real danger of being indicted for some of her shenanigans - even leaving aside the murkier aspects of her past this could be enough to kibosh her.
So he could end up in the White House - it is not now really so out of the question.

SenecaFalls · 30/01/2016 20:25

Hillary is not going to be indicted. In addition to the fact that she hasn't done anything illegal, there is the fact that the justice department is part of the current administration and, if she is elected, then the justice department will be part of her administration.

I don't think that Trump will be the nominee. I think a strong alternative will emerge in the early primaries and that momentum will carry that person forward.

claig · 30/01/2016 20:37

'there is the fact that the justice department is part of the current administration '

There are rumours that some of the leaks may be coming from some of Obama's people and that Obama does not like Hillary and would prefer Biden. Also rumours that there could be resignations in the FBI if the Justice Dept does not act.

FT article on Trump and the panic among elites in Davos as a Trump presidency looks ever more possible.

"Is Donald trump a winner?"

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f005d72a-71eb-11e5-ad6d-f4ed76f0900a.html

SenecaFalls · 30/01/2016 20:39

Biden's not running.

claig · 30/01/2016 20:45

'Biden's not running.'

Not yet. If Hillary loses Iowa and New Hampshire, the Democratic bigwigs may decide she won't make it or alternatively there is talk that they will let her keep going until she is possibly indicted at which stage Biden would step in at the Democratic Convention and be allocated the votes of the delegates etc. She may not get indicted, but there is talk, particularly on Fox, that she might.

SenecaFalls · 30/01/2016 20:50

Fox? That's your source?

Speaking of Fox, the best thing about Trump running is how his far-right Kool-Aid drinkers now hate Fox News. It is a funny old world.

claig · 30/01/2016 20:53

Political analyst Dick Morris says

"If [Sen.] Bernie Sanders [of Vermont] beats her in Iowa and New Hampshire, which I think he will, that will show she's in very tough shape politically and … there might be a lot of pressure for someone else to get into the race, like Biden."

In addition, an FBI investigation into the former secretary of state's use of a private email server for government business could end up with an indictment, Morris believes.

"The indictment would knock her out of the race and free her delegates who are already on the ballot to commit to Biden and run as Biden delegates. You could still see that happen over the course of the next four to six weeks."

www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/joe-biden-hillary-clinton-democrats-presidential-race/2016/01/11/id/709042/

But according to one of Trump's former advisers, Biden won't make any difference because Trump wil beat him. He says that Biden was a two-time loser and did badly in the race the last two times.

claig · 30/01/2016 20:54

'It is a funny old world.'

It certainly is. Trump has exposed Fox for what they are, Etsablishment, in it with all the rest.

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 30/01/2016 21:21

'there is the fact that the justice department is part of the current administration ' There are rumours that some of the leaks may be coming from some of Obama's people and that Obama does not like Hillary

Indeedy
This is not nicey-nicey like some people think democratic politics 'should be' - it is realpolitik like Putin rocks it... just russkies with 'merican accents.

SenecaFalls · 30/01/2016 21:31

Obama likes Hillary fine. The president is all about his legacy now. He's not going to do something that brings his former Secretary of State into disrepute, even if he didn't like her.

claig · 30/01/2016 21:41

'Obama likes Hillary fine'

I'm not sure. Apparently Obama didn't like what the Clintons did when they campaigned against him last time. Hillary is being nice to Obama now, but is expected to go against his legacy once she is out of Iowa and New hampshire and in the Southern states in order to try and pick up voters who don't like Obama's legacy. There is also talk about who will end up running the United Nations. Some people are saying that Hillary would appoint Bill and that Obama wants it.