Could Donald Trump be the next Hitler?

[Destinysdaughter]

I pray to God he doesn't get elected as the next president but after just watching the C4 documentary about him, I fear for the future of the USA and consequently the world. Hitler was once a joke but then economic conditions changed and people wanted answers and Hitler was able to blame much of Germany's ills on the Jews much like Trump is doing with Mexicans, Muslims etc. His supporters seen equally fanatical and not open to any kind of rational debate. It really fucking scares me, the world seems to becoming much more intolerant and if economic conditions deteriorate further I worry about what will happen. Please do tell me IABU but I feel bloody uneasy about this...

[batshitlady]

Perhaps, but them (the German civilian population) speaking out against it would have probably meant them joining those people Hitler was murdering on an industrial scale.

But it is true, Hitler and the Nazis did not publicly publicise their crimes.

[WildeWoman]

edition.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/anne-frank-donald-trump-adolf-hitler/index.html?sr=fbCNN012816anne-frank-donald-trump-adolf-hitler1241AMStoryGalLink&linkId=20732265

Anne Frank's stepsister speaks out about Trump.

[Rainbunny]

I'm not a gambling person but I'm 100% confident that he won't win a general election. Many if not most republican voters are horrified by him, he makes a lot of noise and he's a showman but his ardent supporters are a minority. Not to mention that his vile comments about immigrants have alienated the largest and increasingly influential voting bloc of hispanic voters. He makes these outrageous statements because he is playing to his crowd of undereducated, racist white poor people who feel left behind in this economy and want to blame their situation on immigration, trump knows full well that most of the things he proposes like deporting 20 million hispanics and starting a trade war with China are constitutionally impossible for a president to actually do.

Frankly, I think the real legacy that Trump will leave from this election is that he will helped destroy the GOP in current state. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think he is Hilary Clinton's best weapon frankly.

[BombadierFritz]

The Final Solution started in 1942, after a decade of intimidatiin, blacklisting, extortion, violence threats and deportations. It takes a long time for the political landscape and people to be prepared for genocide (see this site for the 10 stages)genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-stages-of-genocide/
Hitler did not just declare his intentions in 1933. That might not initially have been his plan. A number of strange ideas such as mass deportation to madagascar were discussed.
Where I see similarities is with the personalities of many fascist dictators and their followers

[mrspremise]

No, that seems to be Cardiff City Council...

[batshitlady]

Comparing Donald trump with the little moustached chap here is utterly ridiculous.

Yes Trump's vulgar, and rude, etc. etc. But the snobs that attack him for his demagoguery didn't hold George W Bush to account for the same when he marched America off to a disastrous war in Iraq...Trump was against that war and is still speaking out about to this day.

He's also said he's going to work with Putin to find a solution to Syria. That to me sounds more sensible than the neo-con candidates like Bush and H Clinton who've said they'll confront the Russians in the air, which could precipitate WW3 FFS! If anything Trump is the voice of reason here. People need to find out exactly what he's saying and compare it to what the stance of the other more 'acceptable' candidates are. Trump represents a threat to the interests of a mere handful of super wealthy.

Therefore we get endless character slurs, allegations of this and that and channel 4 documentaries called "the crazy world of Donald Trump".. Not that they're being biased or anything... Would thyey do the same about Clinton or Jeb Bush?

[TheDowagerCuntess]

I don't think the OP was comparing Trump with Hitler, per se.

The comparison was more to do with the set of conditions which enabled a megalomaniac to come to power. They are reminiscent in many ways, unfortunately.

[Cel982]

He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting near the White House. Not a chance. He just doesn't have the numbers. For a Republican to win a presidential election, they have to draw voters from the middle ground. If the party couldn't get moderates like McCain or Romney elected in either of the last two cycles, it's certainly not going to happen for an extremist like Trump.
I'd be very surprised if he even got the nomination. He will not be president.

[TheDowagerCuntess]

I'd like to think that Palin is the kiss of death.

Trump is just dicking around. When you have an ego and a wallet the size of his, running for president is great craic.

Hopefully.

[batshitlady]

I suspect you're right, but Trump will have at least influenced the debate and that's really all someone like me can hope for.

He has at least posed a danger to the internationalist-interventionist consensus that reigns supreme in Washington.

[SenecaFalls]

Excellent point about the Hispanic vote Rainbunny. The candidate who actually has the best chance of beating Hillary is Jeb. He is moderate enough to appeal to independent and Hispanic voters; he speaks fluent Spanish, which he learned as an adult; his wife is a Mexican immigrant, and he has raised all of his children to be bi-lingual.

[Want2bSupermum]

This is probably the last election where the Hispanic vote won't be hugely influential. A lot of Hispanics who are older are on greencards or if they have voting rights haven't typically exercised then in previous elections compared to their children who were born here so have the right to vote and have been told throughout school that it is important to vote. Those children are now coming of age and will start voting between now and the 2020 election.

Trump not showing up to the debate last night was interesting in terms of impact. He was hosting a fundraiser instead for veterans so he had a good excuse at least.

[Want2bSupermum]

Just because you speak spanish doesn't mean much. It actually alienates a lot of other groups such as the blacks who are fed up of politicians pandering to the Hispanic groups instead of putting their energy into supporting the black community. A lot of poor white people are also fed up of being forgotten about. In terms of numbers, the biggest racial group in the lowest socioeconomic group is white, not black or Hispanic.

[DoctorTwo]

Now Putin.... I think we have our next Hitler/Stalin right there

May I ask why Want2bSupermum? Comparing conditions in Russia in 2016 and Germany in 1933 makes for interesting reading. The Russian economy is shrinking, true, but for 14 of the last 15 years they ran a surplus, which has been split into 3 funds, one for running the state, one for 'a rainy day' and the last for the future. So they have around $800Bn in cash.

Sure, sanctions have bitten somewhat, but exports to BRICS countries have increased, all paid for in local currency, not US Dollars as with the West. Wages went up at 10%pa until last year, so although the ruble is weak overseas, it buys a lot at home, so working Russians feel rich. The only time they don't feel rich is when they go on holiday so they've stopped coming to Western Europe as tourists, much to the detriment of many economies who relied on them.

It is not Putin who is looking to expand, it is NATO. As another poster noted, go against Putin and you start WW3. If your country was invaded by a hostile foreign force would you want to defend it? I would.

Hitler inherited a basketcase of a country, and proceeded to invest in infrastructure and weapons. The former, of course, investment in infrastructure, is the bones of Jeremy Corbyn's 'QE for the people'. As he too will inherit a basketcase economy, it could be argued that Mr Corbyn is in fact the next Hitler.

You're welcome. And vote Sanders.

[Lweji]

Off to read it properly.

[SenecaFalls]

The Hispanic vote is very important, especially when you consider the electoral college. Just as one example, there are predictions that Texas will move from red state to swing state in the near future. The Hispanic vote in Georgia is giving Democrats a chance again.

[ComposHatComesBack]

sshh!!! Lweji let's enjoy it whilst it lasts!


I think (s)he (I suspect it is a he for some reason) is like Beetlejuice, say his name three times and they appear.

[Rainbunny]

Want2b - I don't think we'll have to wait until the 2020 election to see the influence of the hispanic vote. Since Trump has emerged in all his glory there has been a dramatic increase in voter registration for hispanics.

www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-27/trump-effect-driving-push-for-latino-voter-registration

[claig]

Don't worry I am not joining in to give my view because it gets tiring to be personally attacked for giving a different view to the majority.

[ComposHatComesBack]

Claig please don't take my previous comments to heart, it certainly wasn't meant nastily. You are by far the most amiable of the right-wingers on here and are always polite in your posting style (when others -myself included at times - has been less than polite) It is just your tireless campaigning for Trump and your seeming ability to sniff out a Trump thread and post on them at all times of the day and night is uncanny and almost supernatural.


I think you realize that you are a far bigger fan of Trump than most. However it can be a bit frustrating when you launch into
multiple post hagiographies (or claigographies if you will) that would make Trump himself blush. It is difficult to have a debate in those contexts, because you seem to see Trump as a fantasy figure com onto which you project all these wishes, rather than what he has said or done. When he makes a tit of himself or fails to deliver it is all the fault of the RINOs, liberal media, the PC brigade Oxbridge PPEs etc.


They read like PR posts written by comical Ali as the Iraqi regime was crumbling, so utterly out of kilter with how the rest of the world sees things that it is easy to go for mockery rather than substance as there's no sense of context or balance or understanding that Trump has to win over people who like him father less than you do.

[claig]

Thank you for your nice post, Compos. That makes me feel better. I mainly only post on Politics and In the News because I haven't got the time to end up on threads elewhere or I would never be able to get anything else done. So I am not often on AIBU.

I realise that I am one of the few Trump fans on MN. But it is good to have different views reflected because in the States, Trump is by far the most popular politician amongst Republican voters, all the channels invite him on because their ratings go up, and he gets tens of thousands of people attending his speeches (far more than any other politician). So it is not surprising that some people in the UK might like him too.

'They read like PR posts written by comical Ali'

Yes that is right because I defend Trump against everyone who dislikes him by using positive, exaggerated text to create comical effect. It is probably not always funny, but that is its intent.

'When he makes a tit of himself or fails to deliver it is all the fault of the RINOs, liberal media, the PC brigade Oxbridge PPEs etc.'

Yes, that is also done for comic effect. But also because I believe it. All fo that lot are career politicians, trained and groomed by the system to lead us and they are nearly all funded by lobbyists, donors, City and Wall Street institutions as they progress which is why they all believe in the same wars and in the same globalisation policies that suit the banks. Trump is the opposite. He will end the destabilisation of the Middle East and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people which he says Hillary Clinton is responsible for and he will bring jobs back to America to give people a better life unlike our politicians who tell us nothing can be done as our steel plants close because that is the way the world is acording to them.

"there's no sense of context or balance or understanding that Trump has to win over people who like him father less than you do"

I disagree with you there. Trump is a popular guy because he has a sense of humour and does staright-talking. He is a refreshing change to the career politician automatons who speak in robotic scripts, full of spin, written for them by some university wonk. I think Trump will easily win over African American and Hispanic voters simply because he will bring jobs back to America unlike all of the banker sponsored globalist career politicians who aren't allowed to by the banks. Apparently, Trump needs only a 4% swing among African American voters in order to become President. The polls put Trump on 25% among African Americans currently compared to 7 or 8% for Romney and McCain, th former Republican nominees. So I think that Trump could do it.

But enough of my Trump supporting. Thanks for your nice post.

[fourmummy]

ColdTea Putin doesn't even touch the sides. Here's a great comment from a Guardian poster following Owen Jones' negative article about him, which I'll reproduce in its entirety as none of it, bar the sentiments behind it, is attributable to me:

I'm sorry Owen, I'm usually a huge fan but on this topic I fear you've got the balance wrong. Putin is certainly socially conservative and is a (Russian) nationalist, neither of which would normally be supported by the left - but similar criticisms could be made of many world leaders; will your next article call on the left to increase its vituperation on the leaders of Japan, Germany, Spain, Australia...? If not, why not? Remember, whether one likes him or not, he is the democratically elected leader of the largest country on earth (by area), his approval ratings are around 86% (and most of those opposing him do so because they feel he has not done enough in places like Ukraine), the Russian Left actually works closely with him (eg the remnants of the Communist Party), and he has stood up to American expansionism in Ukraine, Iraq, Libya, and now Syria. Russia today might not be a liberal utopia but its laws on gun control, its health service, and its incarceration rates are all much better than those in the US, and its policies on LGBT matters, while poor, are better than in many States of the US, Latin America and the Caribbean and are similar to many in eastern Europe and to those pertaining in the UK under Thatcher and Major. Although his connections with Russian oligarchs are questionable, his position is infinitely better than was the case under the western supported darling, Yeltsin - at least he's tried to do something about the worst excesses.
The only example that can be given of his expansionism is Crimea, where he was supported by 96% of the population (a figure repeatedly confirmed by western opinion pollers) in reversing the decision made by Khruschev in 1954 to artificially transfer Crimea to Ukraine.

I strongly suspect that the new orchestrated attempts to villify him, which unfortunately you've colluded in, are more to do with the development of the BRICS group, his good relations with Iran, and Russian military success in Syria on top of Russian political success in Crimea (and to an extent, Donbass) which for the first time in thirty years have presented some sort of alternative to the US led expansionist policies - and we can't have that, can we?

[fourmummy]

Claig I like your posts

[claig]

Thanks, fourmummy. I like yours too.

[Stanky]

Whoever has the most money will win. That's the way it's always been.