To agree with this headteacher regarding wearing pyjamas as outdoor wear?

[MaisyMooMoo]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-35413153

PaulAnkaTheDog shebird
That's lovely. Lazy? I've admitted to going over tge rd with a coat over my pjs. I'm not lazy or a slob.
I don't however have my dh here 24/7 to help me get dressed! Do just carry on assuming everyone who does this though is just lazy.
No i don't want to sleep in joggers ( i do not own any for a start) or any other clothes as i have enough trouble sleeping without being uncomfortable.

Woah! I don't go to work to see sick people in my PJs. In work, I wear scrubs. Which are essentially...

Pyjamas!

(Social norms are so inconsistent!)

I do actually own clothes other than my PJs or scrubs, but on runs of long days, nights or twilights, they don't get much airing.

(I'm a she. One of those women doctors causing the downfall of the NHS. It's nice to know I'm also causing the downfall of society as we know it due to my choice of clothing. POWER!)

How dare you save lives egg it is all your fault

I wouldn't want a doctor who didn't know the difference between scrubs and pyjamas operating on me

I think teachers need to understand where to draw the line on telling parents how to behave. Or even asking. They may not see the boundary between things they can reasonably ask parents to do (read with them at bedtime, for , though even them it can only be a request /suggestion) and things that, short of neglect, are none of their business (what parents wear, how tidy their house is, etc) but there is such a boundary. These are adults she's addressing. She has no more authority to comment on their choice of clothing than you or I do.

piratesmile Good luck with that- we all think scrubs are glorified pyjamas. Not even that glorified. In fact, I have better fitting and better quality pyjamas.

And funnily enough, not one new parent has asked me not to resuscitate their newborn while wearing scrubs like this: www.simonjersey.com/unisex-lightweight-scrub-top.html?gclid=CNaR1ZrfysoCFVKZGwodI00O3A#174=406&173=405

Are you really a doctor Eggnoggsnog ? I'm finding it very hard to believe that you are...

No, I'm lying. sarcasm

Wow. I'm amazed...

I am amazing. I swear less at work.

Scrubs aren't pyjamas
I mean come on what a rubbish argument.

Do you wear your scrubs on the bus to work? i hope you don't

I couldn't give a rats ass that these parents wear pjs to drop their kids at school. I would give a rats ass if they didn't send their kids to school washed and dressed, didn't show up to parents' evenings/assemblies, or take an interest in their kids' education. As stated above, the ofsted report for that school is good; it states (amongst many other complimentary statements) that the children have a positive attitude to learning. Clearly the staff AND parents are doing something right. The ofsted report does not say that the school failed to achieve outstanding because some/all of the parents wear pjs to drop their kids off. Huffing and puffing about what parents wear for the school run really is sweating the small stuff.

Ah yes. The god complex Eggnoggsnog I almost believe you now

Ms Chisholm said the final straw came when parents wore pyjamas to the Christmas show and to recent parents' evenings.

"It just got to the point when I thought 'enough's enough'," she said.

Ms Chisholm said the final straw came when parents wore pyjamas to the Christmas show and to recent parents' evenings.

"It just got to the point when I thought 'enough's enough'," she said.

Oops ! Sorry for the double (and incomplete) post, keyboard problems.

What I was unsuccessfully trying to post was a quote from the BBC story in the OP. Because lots of posts here have concentrated on pyjama'ed parents doing the schoolrun. The head teacher, on the other hand, doesn't. Her tipping point was pyjama'ed parents at the Christmas show and parents' evenings. That's a pretty big difference. I can see the schoolrun being so time-poor that a parent prioritises getting their DC to school on time over getting dressed. I CANNOT see how they could possibly lack the time to get dressed for parents' evenings. Not even if they are a shift worker.

I think wearing pyjama's to parents evening or to school plays/concerts is ridiculous and there are very few cases where there would be a genuinely good reason for it. The very occasional morning school run when everything has gone pear-shaped is not the end of the world, but I wouldn't do it.

I think she is right though- being clean and dressed reasonably is an important lesson for children to learn. You wouldn't take your children to school unwashed and in their pyjamas, for good reason.

I am chuckling at the unthinkability of a school without a uniform as evidenced in comments addressed to Nooka.

Mine have worn PJs on occasion too (I don't 'send' them wearing any particular clothes - they are free to choose their own) and when they were in elementary the DDs were allowed to wear PJ trousers under their skirts and pinafores for warmth when outdoors. It was also really easy to pull them off to get ready to go to class. Tights were too hot indoors.

2rebecca, way back in the day, asylums were bulging. They also did electric shock treatment. exH's gran spent years in and out of mental hospitals from her 30s til she died in her late 70s. Back in the midcentury years doctors routinely prescribed 'mother's little helper' for women suffering depression. And then there were those who simply drank their way through their miserable days. I don't think the past was a golden age of mental health or getting on with it at all.

'Helping students reach their potential isn't just about exam results, it is also about students knowing what to say and what to wear in different situations.'
How is this is accomplished by wearing uniforms?

Math

no, not everything was better in the past. Not everything is better now either.

However, I don't understand what is wrong with asking/expecting parents to be washed and dressed for parents evenings- to me, it shows a bit of respect to the teacher and that you value your child's education. What does it say about the importance of the parent's evening/school concert, or whatever it is you are attending, if you can't even be bothered to get dressed to see your child's teacher?

If I turned up to do a clinic unwashed (if you've had time to have a shower, then you get dressed after the shower, surely?), in my pyjama's and so on, I think the vast majority of my patients wouldn't be very happy (nor would my employer). I don't have to have a full face of make-up or have perfectly done hair, or be dressed in immaculate clothes- just clean, neat and tidy. For me, that is about respect for patients and actually, respecting myself too.

I like school uniform, I think it solves some problems and looks smart.

As I said previously, wearing pyjama's on a rare occasion on the school run when everything has gone wrong? While I haven't ever done it and would most likely find time to put on some clothes, it's not the end of the world. Anything more formal, and you should make the effort to at least be fully dressed IMHO.

There is no suggestion that these parents are not washed, and technically they are dressed. The HT just doesn't realise this is a fashion and might not understand that these pajamas are not necessarily the same ones the parents have slept in.

Eggs just because scrubs can be worn as pyjamas it dosent mean that pyjamas can be worn as scrubs. You already know that though, as does everyone else hence my statement upthread that I wouldn't let a junior wear pyjamas at work.

Some people have extenuating medical or other circumstances, in which case I think it's fine. But for anyone who doesn't, NO.

Turning up to assemblies / concerts / parents evenings in PJs is totally unbelievable!! Unlike drop off, these events aren't compulsory so if you can't wear appropriate clothing then don't turn up! (Extenuating circumstances aside.)

Appearing at the school should fall in to the same category as going to work - you want to create an image which will encourage teachers to respect you. If I ran a school which had large numbers of parents turning up in PJ's I would feel it didn't reflect well on the school.

There was a time when trousers were considered inappropriate, for women. Same goes for sports wear and leggings, as mentioned above.

If I ran a school which had large numbers of parents turning up in PJ's I would feel it didn't reflect well on the school.
I suspect that's what this boils down to in the end.

The HT is bothered that prospective parents will look elsewhere when they drive past in the morning and see parents in PJs, because let's face it, this is not a naice MC thing to do. The HT wants to make sure people don't jump to the conclusion that 'the wrong sort' of people send their children to her school. If prospective parents are put off then funding goes to the schools they ultimately choose.

The parents are not junior doctors, or junior parents or junior teachers. They are grown adults exercising their right to wear whatever they choose to wear.