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To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

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Kreacherelf · 24/01/2016 14:20

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

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manicinsomniac · 24/01/2016 19:53

Allthemadmen - no concrete way to know, I guess. But a determination so strong that you're willing to die ... it seems quite probable they were telling the truth to me.

TwistedReach · 24/01/2016 20:00

Hefzi, sometimes that happens because it is thought that the men are the most likely to survive the journey.
And then they will risk death to get to the place they think is the most likely to reunite them with family quickly- the U.K. They cannot stop in France where they know it will take longer and so cause additional risk to their families.
Most of the refugees in the Calais camp are terrified of the French police. The French police teargas them- children too, nightly and beat them up. They want to finally get somewhere where they believe they might stand a chance for some normality- including work and where they will not be so hated. In addition to having family here and speaking the language. Sadly I think some do have an idealised picture of what it will be like. And it is terrifying that they keep risking their lives daily to try to get here.
There are also people stuck in the jungle who have claimed asylum in France. But they are not housed while the claim is processed and so they continue to rot there.
They are also frightened that France is even less likely to grant them asylum than the uk and they are terrified of getting sent back so want to get to where they have the best chance of actually having a life.

SouthWestmom · 24/01/2016 20:08

Well if their families are here, waiting for the tenfold, where are they? Why hasn't some enterprising journalist found them and done a DM sadface story about the little kids and mummy waiting for daddy who is trapped at calais?
I just don't have any sympathy. Regardless of the truth, there is a very strong perception that Britain will hand you a palatable life on a plate - housing, some money, and healthcare. You never here anyone talking about how easy life is in italy/franxe/Poland etc etc

Mistigri · 24/01/2016 20:08

twisted I think people who say "they should just claim asylum in France" don't realise what appalling treatment many of these people will already have had at the hands of the French authorities (mainly but not exclusively the police). Quite apart from the daily teargas sing, many, including minors, have been badly beaten then refused hospital treatment. I have some friends working in the camps and I have seen the photos - these are kids not much older than my own DS in some cases.

You can't really blame them for not wanting to stay in France.

AllTheMadmen · 24/01/2016 20:10

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hefzi · 24/01/2016 20:12

Sure, I understand that Twisted - that's why it's often young men, because they are inherently safer in the process: but in the particular case of the man I cited, I am afraid I still think it's craven to leave your wife and small children in danger like that.

I know it's not a walk in the park, flying to France and then getting to Calais, and then taking your chances - of course not. But even in the UK, the process isn't quick, and as I say, family reunification tends to be years, not months. That's years, when the Taliban who have threatened the lives of your family, could target your unprotected wife and children.

I'm always surprised that the asylum process across Europe isn't more standardised, actually, given how processual the EU are about everything else. I wouldn't want to be in need of refuge anywhere, but the UK is definitely one of the least bad options, as ironic as that sounds. People I work with are always praising the UK as being one of the least racist countries in Europe (which, in the beginning, used to make me fall off my chair Grin) and is certainly more stable than many, and with a better "system". And of course, many, many people have English as an additional language - so again, I see why people would prefer here than France. But I do see it as an issue (not from an immigration perspective, but from a human rights' perspective) that there isn't equality in treatment across the Union: there's very basic standards for human dignity, after all, and France is not the only place that these aren't met. The reason will be to do with money and not making it comfy for people to come- I get that: but no matter their legal status, people have the right to having their basic human rights met - food, shelter, clean water etc

wonderingminds · 24/01/2016 20:13

Ensuring that their women and children get in first is a surefire way of guaranteeing the men entry to the UK.
They are basically using their women and children to appeal to our better natures, in order to gain a strong foothold.
Then, they ALL come in.
And there will be NO stopping them.
So iot will continue, year after year after year, until our society buckles under the strain.
People don't honesty think that we will only let X amount of people in? The number will have no limit.

Can't anybody see this?
Or are we all too stupid to see what's really happening? Hmm

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Abraid2 · 24/01/2016 20:14

I don't want young Muslim men like the ones causing havoc in Germany and Sweden coming into the UK send treating my teenage daughter and her friends with the contempt they have shown young women in those countries.

If there are some kindly, gentle, enlightened Muslim men among them, and of course there are, then I am sorry and I wish there was a way to help. But I put the young women of this country first.

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TwistedReach · 24/01/2016 20:15

Mistigri I know. It is really frightening and I don't understand how child protection doesn't seem to exist at all.

Allthemadmen- it's very easy to say what you would and wouldn't do from the safety of your armchair.

Many men, women and children don't survive the journey.

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TwistedReach · 24/01/2016 20:55

Fromallthemadmen: mistri

do you have children?

Quite apart from the daily teargas sing, many, including minors, have been badly beaten then refused hospital treatment. I have some friends working in the camps and I have seen the photos - these are kids not much older than my own DS in some cases.

Because I would not subject my dc to this. ^^ I would go to another place/country...rather than stay in one place where this going to happen

So you would do exactly what most of the the refugees in calais are trying to do then and try to leave a place that hurts them and their children.

tangerinesarenottheonlyfruit · 24/01/2016 21:12

"why are they so keen to get to the UK"

Many of the people trying to get to the UK have family here.

It makes sense - think about it. If the UK was blown to smithereens, Europe was unsafe and you had nowhere in the world to call home, where would you go? I'd go try to find family and friends. I have close friends in America and distant family in Lithuania who would welcome me and my kids if the shit hit the fan.

I know nothing about benefits or the legalities of being an immigrant there I just know people there. That's what these people fleeing war are doing.

Where would you go if you had to flee Europe with yoir kids and only the clothes you stand up in?

tangerinesarenottheonlyfruit · 24/01/2016 21:14

"I would not subject my dc to this. ^^ I would go to another place/country"

Which other country exactly?

AllTheMadmen · 24/01/2016 21:24

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12118575/Jeremy-Corbyn-All-Calais-migrants-who-want-to-come-to-Britain-should-be-allowed-entry.html

^^ OK allow them all to come and then what? Does he think the camp will just go away?

tangerine

France may not be as nice to live in as the UK however staying in one place in France where your child is beaten......

are you saying you would continue to stay in the camp and allow your child to be beaten on a regular basis tangerine? Because your need to move to britain was that great?

VertigoNun · 24/01/2016 21:26

If other posters are correct then very few actually have family here and so will remain in France.

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catsonlaps · 24/01/2016 21:40

The long term changes might have slightly more damaging changes.

TwistedReach · 24/01/2016 21:44

Zzzzz I'm glad you feel like that. The only heartening thing about all of this atrocity is that there do seem to be many who feel like that.
And you make a difference and make your voice heard to a thread like this.

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 24/01/2016 21:48

zzzz we have enough spare houses and school places? The NHS are able to cope? Services cut to the bone, yet we have resources for thousands more? How would it end?

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