To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

Enthusiasm so many of you can understand that tensions are rising? You may state it's not an excuse, still reads very apologist to me though.

tangerine, horrible as the attack in Sweden were Swedish people are not, just by dint of their presence in Sweden, intent on committing illegal acts.

Everyone in the Calais camps is there because they wish to illegally enter Britain. Unless you're going to start claiming that the people in the camps aren't trying to get into Britain then it's a given that they intend to commit criminal acts. So you can't really compare the two.

Incidentally didn't you get the memo from emily. If one European person does something then, yes, that is supposed to indicate exactly how every single European thinks and behaves. This incident should have automatically made Sweden an entirely and wholly racist place where migrants should not be expected to live. Do keep up. Did you miss Regressive Left 101?

Clam

"My heart sank when I read of those thugs attacking in Sweden. Horrific behaviour. But sadly, I do think that that is what can happen when politicians ignore the general public's concerns about the sheer numbers of migrants they allow in in a short space of time"

So do you also apply this logic to the Calais bus story?

Would you say

""My heart sank when I read of those thugs attacking the bus in Calais. Horrific behaviour. But sadly, I do think that that is what can happen when politicians ignore refugee's concerns about the brutality of response from the Frence police, their terrible living conditions and the trauma they've suffered from war and at the hands of people smugglers, and the continued lack of a humanitarian response to their plight"

If not, why not?

well if you want to take it that way then do so

"still reads very apologist to me though"

Me too

Has anyone seen the reports of buses smashes up by Nazi thugs near Dover today?

Widowwadman, Tangerine & Emily it seems to me that, between the 3 of you, you've got a failsafe solution to how this migrant refugee alien people politically correct term can be resolved. 34 pages of input from dozens of intelligent erudite socially connected posters don't seem to believe you hold the answers. I think you do. Please will you share your 5 point plan for world peace with the rest of us?

of course it does

I well aware it would to you both and no doubt Emily as you do not want to see another side to the issue

and the fall out for others too

No you didn't read it right tangerine. I was merely asking Emily what she thought about the incident in comparison to the violence inflicted upon refugees storming the border as she strangely doesn't seem to think there's anything wrong with refugees behaving in a violent manner, only white people.

Maybe the people responsible for the refugee attacks in Sweden were responding to this www.thelocal.se/20160129/swedish-police-files-5000-migrant-incidents-sin or this
www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/ or this www.thelocal.se/20160129/swedish-police-files-5000-migrant-incidents-sin.
You can only push people so far and if the police continue to be as incompetent as they have been then sadly I expect we'll see a lot more vigilantism.

OhforGodsake, this is what you think passes for intelligent, erudite debate?!

Seriously?!

Please excuse me a minute while I compose myself ....

Any response from the open borders crowd to this post from the BBC that proves the Calais migrants are deliberately choosing not to claim refuge in France but are choosing to enter Britain illegally instead?

The following includes exact quotes from migrants who refuse to move from the Calais Jungle to the new purpose-built refugee camp down the road (www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35322374):

'One anonymous Iraqi migrant said he feared tighter restrictions if he moved.

He said: "Personally, I wouldn't go because they are requiring fingerprints and they are forcing us to stay in France to apply for asylum which we are not happy to do."

One Eritrean migrant called Mohammed told the BBC he would "try to fight" the move.

He said: "If we go inside to stay in the warm we don't try to cross the border."

He said being close to the motorway gave migrants a better chance of hiding in passing lorries, bound for the UK.

"The trucks that are coming here are mostly very quick," he said. "That is why we are near the road."

So there you have it in their own words: they won't go to the new, clean, warm refugee camp because they will be fingerprinted and given asylum in France, because they prefer to go to Britain. They are not refugees, they are economic migrants as they themselves admit.

Any comments?

tangerine

ItsJustaUsername so for the Swedish mass mob of thugs beating poeple including children in a premeditated and coordinated attack, you say

"You can only push people so far and if the police continue to be as incompetent as they have been then sadly I expect we'll see a lot more vigilantism."

Could we apply the same to the thugs at Calais throwing a branch at bus (but not actually injuring anyone) can we say

"You can only push people so far and if the politicians continue to be as incompetent as they have been then sadly I expect we'll see a lot more vigilantism."

tangerine you are the one talking bullshit. Deliberately. You are reacting to a statement which was never made.

What I said was 'Don't tell me nothing but genuine refugees comes through bullshit...the Parisian attacks blew that wide open'. I didn't say 'The Patis attacks were committed by Syrian refugees'.

That news story uses weasel words to mislead. Can they truthfully say that no Syrian refugees have been proved to be involved? Yes, they can?

Can they say that nobody involved in the movement of migrants into Europe was involved? No they can't. Because the same news source on the same day posted this story:

mashable.com/2015/11/23/paris-attackers-posed-as-refugees/#cr9Dy0ap.Oqr

At least 2 of the attackers entered Europe (probably returning from Syria) posing as refugees.

So, yes, the Paris attacks were at least partially facilitated by the collapse of Europe's border controls allowing people with sinister intentions to move in and out of Europe undetected, quite possibly bringing their weaponry with them.

Crossed from Calais to Dover today. The camp is now huge, there must be thousands of people based there. French CRS very much in evidence. Greeted in Dover by conflicting demos blocking the route to the M20. It's a very ugly situation. I have no idea what the answer is. I'm not sure why everyone wants to get to the UK as a BBC article I read last year suggested that the financial benefits for asylum seekers are very similar in both countries. More money,aid, education and military intervention needed upstream in the home countries of the migrants for a start perhaps. As I say all very unpleasant on both sides of the channel.

^ if we can't say that, why not?

Sorry?!

Beating with a baton is force and you are justifying it Bill. Beating refugees, including beating children, is totally wrong and unnecessary. So is making them pay bribes. There are better ways to check people and treat people. This is the slippery slope when people start to justify Nazi like brutality. What if they'd shot a few? Just protecting the border? People don't 'storm borders' unless they are frightened, mistreated or being illegally pushed back. 'Tensions being high is no excuse either. I haven't said there should be no borders or checks. From my boyfriend's experience as a volounteer I know it can be done without beating people. He never saw any police violence or refugee violence, but in some places it happens. When it happens it is the crime if the person wielding the baton, not the person on the receiving end. They have beaten children as well as adults. No excuses for any of it.

I don't understand how people are so frustrated and filled with hate. 'Tensions are rising' is an inadequate explanation.

Nope Tangerine, I just like pushing your buttons

WidowWadman, do you have a link? I heard neo Nazis groups were going there.

metro.co.uk/2016/01/30/huge-neo-nazi-gangs-paint-blood-swastikas-at-massive-demonstration-in-dover-5653205/

The open borders crowd are also fantasists who are totally out of step with public opinion. The most recent YouGov poll asks whether Britain should take migrants from Calais (www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12119288/Jeremy-Corbyns-Calais-migrant-plea-will-isolate-him-further.html)

YES: 15%
NO: 73%
DON'T KNOW: 12%

So would you like to comment on the fact that you are a tiny subset of public opinion, and realize that in a democracy it is the citizens who live here who get the final say?

Nope, OhforGodsake?

So in that case you must be saying the people who are debating with WidowWadman, Emily and me are neither intelligent nor erudite?

Glad we got that one sorted, thanks for the clarification!

You mean these 'children' tangerine?www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3415477/Swedish-police-warn-Stockholm-s-main-police-station-overrun-migrant-teen-gangs-stealing-groping-girls.html

Yes, I am justifying it. I'm justifying it because I do not believe anybody has a right to forcibly enter a country without going through the required legalities first.

Just as an example emily, should you care to go to a football match on a Saturday afternoon where everything gets a bit fighty you would see similar. Surely you've been on a few protests and seen that exactly the same happens to protestors who try and rush the police in a similar way?

People don't storm borders unless they are frightened, mistreated or being illegally pushed back.

Oh emily more racist ascribing of inherent virtue to your favoured race with no evidence apart from your opinion. I can think of an awful lot of other reasons. Impatience, a lack of respect for the authorites, unwillingness to comply with legal requirements, sometimes just pure arrogance of thinking that you have the right to do what you like, when you like.