To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

[Kreacherelf]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

And before I forget... one of my friends had to do a presentation / business meetings all veiled up.

But at least she was allowed to do the presentation, Snowbells As I've mentioned in the past, one of my trainers experienced a strident demand for her removal purely because the candidate objected to being taught by a female - and this was in the UK

David Davies MP is becoming very active around this whole issue.

At 1hr 32mins on this link, he is talking to the Council of Europe last week. He pulls no punches.
vodmanager.coe.int/coe/webcast/coe/2016-01-25-4/en

And here's a film he made about the Calais camp, pointing out the presence of activists and commenting on how few women were there.

www.david-davies.org.uk/campaigns/video-calais-jungle-visit

So glad, he has spoken out - well done that man.

Great speeches, am glad its been linked over here.

David Davies, great speech and lots of real passion there.

The way he tackled the previous speakers mention of "unfortunate incidents" was brilliant.

Ie Hundreds of girls surrounded by thousands of men trying to stick their fingers into their vaginas, is not unfortunate incident.

Good on that man.

Unfortunate incidents Jesus wept.

Well done to David for challenging that blatant minimization of it.

i100.independent.co.uk/article/denmark-has-voted-to-confiscate-valuables-here-are-all-the-other-ways-europe-has-dehumanised-refugees-in-the-past-year--ZypzLd0gpl

I wouldn't move to Saudi Arabia as I don't agree with their way of life. If you choose to move to the UK, then you fit in with our way of life out of respect.

I think the real problem here is these never ending, criminal bloody wars were engaged in. This seems to be the the root cause of the problem.

I don't want to see hundreds of thousands of Muslims entering the country. Anymore than they'd want the same number of Christians on their doorstep. (Except the heavily armed ones in tanks. They can't do much about that)..

But seriously, were reacting to the symptoms here, we should be shaming the villains, not blaming the poor flipping victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422995/Many-migrants-Calais-Jungle-aren-t-actually-refugees-choose-Britain-advantages-leading-immigration-judges-rule.html

The full judgment issued today said: It seems likely that there is no real basis for many of its occupants remaining indefinitely in The Jungle and enduring the conditions that obtain there.

'Many are probably not refugees in any general sense or any sense entitled to recognition.

'Rather, they are migrant nationals of a number of countries outside the European Union, who, while intending to make a claim for refugee status, decline to make the claim in France due to perceived advantages, correct or otherwise, of doing so in the United Kingdom.

'In general terms there is no basis at all for thinking that a person who claims asylum in France will not be treated properly and will not have the benefit of the reception and other facilities which those duties entail.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422995/Many-migrants-Calais-Jungle-aren-t-actually-refugees-choose-Britain-advantages-leading-immigration-judges-rule.html

And this is from the judge who allowed the four individuals to come from the Calais camp to the UK and have their asylum cases heard here.

But seriously, were reacting to the symptoms here, we should be shaming the villains, not blaming the poor flipping victims

I agree but whats odd is that so many posters have derided others and never once mentioned ISIS, or Assad etc.

I think we all know that most of the people in Calais are not true refugees but chancers trying to force their way into UK, most of them attacking and intimidating lorry drivers and travellers. Its very worrying that many more could be allowed in by claiming to have siblings here as the latest 4 have.

I think we don't know anything of the kind. That's your opinion -- there is a difference...

While I don't believe everything I see in the media, when it is repeated over and over again there is usually a grain of truth in there.

"A grain of truth" even if that is true and I seriously doubt it, it's a far cry from claiming it to be a certainty that is widely accepted by everyone.

WMD in Iraq.
Abu Ghraib in the Mirror.
BP : "We completely cleaned up the Gulf of Mexico". I could go on...and on..

All repeated over and over in the media, never properly challenged and all lies.

I suggest you Google up what Joseph Goebbels had to say about " telling a lie big enough and keeping on repeating it" .

Just don't attempt to speak for anyone but yourself - please.

Not everyone in Calais is from Syria or Iraq though and yes we know whom to blame. Assad and ISIS and the people traffickers.

In fact in the UK there is pretty much a consensus - that we want to be kind but we just cannot let in 1m (although if Germany and Sweden let that many stay then they will automatically have a right to move here under EU law hence the need for benefits reforms).

I hope there are procedures being reviewed internationally of possible paedophile infiltration selfish men taking up spaces of vulnerable children and socialising with children.

I agree with that, I don't think we should let them in either I think we should transport them to safe, well maintained and well policed refugee camps in their neighbouring countries, the ones fleeing war zones that is.

The rest - I don't know ..

BTW we're indirectly funding and training Isis and Assad is fighting them along with the other "rebels" (that's what we call the ones we like) . It seems to me we need to stop playing along with the neo- cons in America, get behind Assad, ally with the Russians, wipe these jihadi nut jobs out and allow Syria to rebuild itself. D'you think that' going to happen though? Nah, Assad's a terrible man and as everyone knows, we'd never have any dealings with a brutal dictator..

Germany has announced today that it will join Sweden and Finland in deportation of failed asylum seekers from Algeria, Tunisia & Morocco because they are safe countries and so no requirement for asylum in another country. Sounds like a plan but like other posters have said, actually carrying this out may be more tricky than having allowed them in in the first place. Please let the UK learn from the mistakes made in other countries and be more circumspect in who they allow in.

Sweden has already found out what happens when you try to deport people who don't want to go:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-sweden-admits-we-simply-don-t-know-where-they-are-after-14000-illegal-immigrants-go-a6752491.html

How do you keep on top of that many people?

Needle in a haystack!

When people have destroyed papers, removed fingerprints, always have their faces covered, pretend to be children then I do have my doubts about them being genuine refugees. How then are authorites going to prove what countries these people come from to enable them to be deported. Even if the can prove it there will be human rights lawyers coming up with every excuse why they cant be sent back, all at the expense of the tax payers as we know from experience.

I have no optimism that the UK government would be any more efficient in deportation of illegal immigrants to be fair. I know that 2 fast food restaurants, near where I live, were visited by Border Control in September last year. 7 people were identified as being here without license/over stayed student visa. All 7 were released and made to promise that they would register at the police station every fortnight. You'll never guess what happened...........